Ashraf Mohammadi: Now we move on to the question and answer session. Before we begin, let me lay down the rules so that we can have the session in a smooth fashion. Please form a queue at one of the four mikes provided to you. One mike in the ladies section, there are three mikes in the gents section, one at the backside, one on my right, and one here on my left. While posing the questions, please state your name and profession. Please note this is the question time not a lecture time. So be precise and to the point when you pose your question. I request the volunteers, who are handling the mike, to give preference to our non Muslim brothers, who would be in queue, while posing the question. Please bring the non Muslim brothers at the front. Preference is given to non Muslim brothers to pose the questions.
Questioner: Good evening, Dr. Zakir. My name is Roberto. I am doing BDS in Chennai Sabita Dental College. As Dr. Zakir said, God is a unique Creator, there is only one, second thing you said God created human out of love. Third, God has created wealth, poor, healthy and weakness is all because of a test. Similarly, in Christian, they believe God is one. Second point, God created humans out of love. Third point, is the same thing, all these things is because of a test by the God. So I just want to have an answer from you. Don’t mistake, I am not a Christian.
Dr.Zakir Naik: The Brother has asked a question that even in Christianity like Islam God is one and God loves the creation and he further said, what is the difference? You want know the difference between Islam and Christianity or ….?
Questioner: It’s not the difference. What is the most convincing thing you think that you say that other than Islam, any other type of worship is non acceptable.
D.Z.N: Yes, that’s a very good question Brother. Now the question has come into the fore that first there was just blank statement. Even there is a question mark is a question, if there is a statement we have to try to find the question. What is the difference of Islamic form of worship as compared to other forms of worships? What’s so unique? When Christianity also say God is one, Christianity says that God also loves, Islam says God is one, Islam says that God also loves the creation. Islam says worship, Christianity says worship. What is the difference between the worships of Islam and Christianity? Or what is the uniqueness of Islam as compared to other religions? Mainly talking about Christianity.
Brother, on the face of it, if you read the Qur’an correctly, and the interpretation I have given in my talk. And if you read the Bible correctly, with the correct interpretation, we believe that Jesus Christ (PBUH), he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala. No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus Christ (PBUH). We believe that he was born miraculously without any male intervention, we believe he was the Messiah translated Christ, we believe that he heal those born blind and lepers by God’s permission, we believe that life to the dead with God’s permission. But, there are parting of ways. There are many Christians, who say that Jesus Christ (PBUH), he claimed divinity. Now the difference between what the Bible says and the difference between the Christians assume and what they practice, the difference between that. So many Christians say that Jesus Christ (PBUH), he claimed divinity. So when they say God is one, they say Jesus Christ (PBUH) was God, which we Muslims take objection to. There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ (PBUH) himself says that I am God or where he says worship me. So the form of worship for the normal Christian is worshipping Jesus Christ (PBUH). And I repeat my statement, there is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ (PBUH) himself said that I am God or where he says worship me. If any Christian can show me any unequivocal statement in the Bible where Jesus Christ (PBUH) said I am God or where he says worship me, I, Dr, Zakir Naik, I am ready to accept Christianity today. I am ready to put my head on the guillotine. I don’t speak on behalf of my other Muslim brothers.
Because if you read the Bible, it is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chapter no. 14, verse no. 28, Jesus Christ (PBUH) said, that my father is greater than I.
Gospel of John, Chapter no. 10, verse no. 29, “my father is greater than all”.
Gospel of Matthew, Chapter no. 12, verse no. 28, “I with the spirit of God, cast out devils”.
Gospel of Luke, Chapter no. 11, verse no. 20, “I with the finger of God, cast out devils”.
Gospel of John, Chapter no. 5, verse no. 30, “I can for myself do nothing, as I hear I judge, and my judgment is just. For I seek my will, but the will of my father”.
Any one who says I seek not my will, but the will of Almighty God, he is a Muslim. Therefore, I said in my talk that Jesus Christ (PBUH) was a Muslim. Qur’an says in Surah Al Imran, Chapter 3, verse 52, it is further mentioned in Gospel of John, Chapter no. 17, verse no. 3, this life is eternal that you may know Jesus Christ whom thou has sent. It’s mentioned in Gospel of John, Chapter no. 14, verse no. 24, “the words you hear are not mine, but my Father’s who has sent me”. It is clearly mentioned in Book of Acts, Chapter no. 2, verse no. 22, “Ye men of Israel, listen to this, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God, amongst you by wonders and miracles which God did by Him and you are witnessed to it”. A man approved of God amongst you by wonders and miracles, which God did by Him and you are witnessed to it. So Jesus Christ (PBUH) was one of the mightiest Messengers of God but he never claimed divinity. He never said, you should worship me but unfortunately the Christian Church, they teach that salvation, Bible also talks about heaven, talks about hell, but the purpose of existence is not mentioned in detail. It is not mentioned at all except what Paul has mentioned. Paul mentions in Corinthians, Chapter no. 15, he says, in the first Corinthians of chapter no. 15 that if Jesus Christ (PBUH) died not for your sins, your faith is in vain and everything is in vain. That means, Jesus Christ (PBUH), he died for your sins, according to Paul. And they quote the verse of the Bible, Gospel of John, Chapter no. 3, verse no. 16 that God’s soul of the world that He only given His begotten son whosoever believeth in Him shall not die but have everlasting life. So the concept of salvation, according to the church, that you believe Jesus Christ (PBUH) died of your sins and you shall go to Jannat, you shall go to Paradise, which is not mentioned because the word begotten from Gospel of John, Chapter no. 3, verse no. 16 has been thrown out by 32 scholars of highest eminence from the RSV, Revised Standard Version of the Bible as a concoction, as a fabrication, as an interpolation. So what they are following is more Pauline Christianity but Jesus Christ (PBUH) has said, when a person approaches him in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter no. 19, verse no. 16 and 17, that Good Master, what good thing shall I do so that I shall gain eternal life? What good thing shall I do so that I shall go to Jannah, Paradise? So Jesus Christ (PBUH) replies, why thou callest me good? There is none good except one that is Almighty God. And if thou want to enter eternal life, if follow the commandments. He didn’t say that if you want to go to Jannah, want to go to Paradise you believe that I died for your sins. He never said that. He said, follow the commandments. And Jesus Christ (PBUH) said, it is mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter no. 5, verse no. 17 to 20 that think not that I have come to destroy the law of the Prophets. I have come not to destroy, but to fulfill. Unless the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot of detail shall be pass away from the law until all be fulfilled and whosoever shall keep the commandments and teach me to do shall be called ………. in the kingdom of heaven. And whosoever shall break one of the least commandments will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of ………………., in no way shall you enter into Paradise. If you want to be a good Christian, you have to follow all the commandments, there is only one God, you should not do idol worship, of all that Moses (PBUH) has said. So here we analyze it, if we do a research of the Biblical scriptures, it is actually believing in one God not Trinity. Allah says in the Qur’an, in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4, verse 171,
“Wala Takoolu Salasa”- Don’t say trinity. “Intao Khairul Lakoom”- desist, stop, it will be better for you.
So if you say God is three in one, it is Shirk. You wouldn’t get salvation. There is no statement at all about Trinity. The word Trinity does not exist anywhere in the Bible but it is there in the Qur’an. Besides Surah Nisa, Chapter 4, verse 171, it is also there in Surah Maidah, Chapter 5, verse 73, it says,
“Lakad Kafr illazina Kaloo
Innallahu Salisi Salasa”
They are doing Kufr. They are blaspheming those who say God is three in one. The word trinity does not exist anywhere in the Bible. The closest statement is the first Epistle of John, Chapter no. 5, verse no. 7, which says for there are three that bear accorded in heaven. The father, the son and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. And this verse of the Bible by the 32 scholars of the highest eminence of Christian scholars in the Revised Standard Version of the Bible, they have thrown this verse out of the Bible as interpolation, as a fabrication, as a concoction. So the verse which comes to the closest to the Trinity, doesn’t mention Trinity but come closes is thrown out by the scholars of Christianity as a fabrication. So if we analyze, if we want to check what is right in the Bible, here is a Furkan. This is the criteria. It will tell you what is right, what is wrong and if you compare with this. And even today if you read the Bible, the Bible never claims that Jesus is God (PBUH). It says, you should worship only one God and when Jesus Christ (PBUH) is asked which is the first commandment. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Chapter no. 12, verse no. 29, it says,
“Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."
It’s a Hebrew quotation which means.
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD”
So the problem is, if you read the Bible, the exact purpose of creation is not mentioned. It is vague. The Christian Church has taken up a teaching of Paul, St. Paul and says that you believe Jesus Christ (PBUH) died for your sins and you will go to heaven. Then you do anything, you rob, you rape, you do anything. If he has paid for our sins, if Jesus Christ (PBUH) paid for our sins, I can do anything. For example someone tells me to a restaurant. Go to the restaurant, eat whatever you want. I paid your bill. I will eat anything, chicken, mutton, biriyani, anything I can eat. So Jesus Christ (PBUH) died for my sins, then you can commit any sin and you go to heaven. Only I have to believe that he died for your sins. So this is a concept of the Church, which is not as the Bible mentions and you can refer to my video cassette “Similarities between Islam and Christianity”, which gives the similarities. That’s the reason I say that Jesus Christ taught nothing but Islam, that is submitting your will to Almighty God.
Moderator: Can we have the next question from brother over here? Please state your name and profession as well.
Questioner: Retired Superintendent. At the outset, I am extremely delighted to be here even though I am not a Muslim. In the Old Testament of the Bible it is noted that God created a day and night in the first day, after that God created the sun and the moon. How is it possible for the day and night without the sun? Likewise, in Qur’an, it is mentioned that the sun rotates the earth. As per chapter 21, verse 22 of Qur’an, God controls the universe. My doubt is altogether, God here mistaken when He creates the universe. I think the contents in the Bible and Qur’an are against the Science. Please explain.
D.Z.N: Brother, can I have your name and can you repeat what is about the Qur’an, I didn’t hear it correctly. Your name first and what you mentioned about the Qur’an, Qur’an says that the sun….
Questioner: Qur’an in Surah no. 6 I think.
D.Z.N: Surah no. 6 the Sun rotates. You said 21, 22. Chapter 21, verse 22?
Questioner: Chapter no. 21, verse 22.
D.Z.N: The sun rotates.
Questioner: No, in Surah no. 6, I think, but in Chapter 21, verse 22, God controls the universe.
D.Z.N: So that goes against the Science.
D.Z.N: Brother asked a question. He said that he has read the Bible. He quoted a few verses of the Bible and of the Qur’an, didn’t give the reference. He said that the Bible says that Almighty God created day and night at the first day. What he is quoting is the first Book of the Bible, the Book of Genesis, chapter no. 1, verse no. 3. It says that Almighty God created the day and the night and on the first day. And further if you read in Genesis, chapter no. 1, verse no. 13 to 19, it says Almighty God created the sun on the fourth day. I am giving the reference also. So doesn’t this go against Science? I do agree with you, it goes against the Science. And I had a debate with Dr. William Campbell in U.S.A. Dr. William Campbell, he is a missionary and a medical doctor and got a P.H.D against writing a book on Qur’an. And in that debate on “Qur’an and Bible: in the light of Science”, I posed this question, even he couldn’t answer. So I do agree there is a problem in the Bible. Now coming to your question that the Qur’an says that Almighty God controls the universe. Regarding the Bible, yes, I do agree with you that Bible is against established Science. Regarding your question, Qur’an says Almighty God controls the universe, you didn’t say the sun rotates?
Questioner: (not audible)
D.Z.N: Ah, that’s what I heard. That’s why I am asking you to repeat. Why aren’t you repeating? I heard that. And he gave reference chapter 21, verse 22. The reference is wrong. Yours’ reference…
Questioner: Sir, Sir…
D.Z.N: I will tell you, tell you. The real reference is Surah Anbiya, Chapter 21, Verse 33, not Verse 22, Verse 33. Here is the Qur’an. I am speaking from memory. I am not a computer. I will give the reply brother. After the reply whatever query you have, no problem brother. You ask, brother you ask the question, let me reply. After I finish my reply you can ask another 20 questions. But you ask the question, I was listening you carefully. Now you listen to my answer and after I finish my answer, if you have any query you can ask. I will give enough time. Even Chairman doesn’t agree, I will request him to give you time because you are delighted to come here we are more delighted you are here.
The brother said that the Qur’an says, in Surah Anbiya, Chapter 21, Verse 22, it’s actually Verse 33, that the sun rotates. What he is quoting is the Surah Anbiya, Chapter 21, Verse 22, which says,
“Huwal Ladhi Khalaqal Layla Wan Nahara”
“It is Allah who has created the night and the day”
“Wash Shamsa Wal Qamar”
“The Sun and the Moon”
“Kullun Fi Falakin Yasbahun.”
“Each one traveling in an orbit, with its own motion”
And this mistake was even taken out by Taslima Nasrin. You know, Taslima Nasrin. Heard of her? Aa… from Bangladesh. She said that if a book believes that a sun rotates around the earth then how can we advance? So the Qur’an has to be changed, Nauzubillah. The problem is that her view should be changed and she should learn the Qur’an correctly. The Qur’an says,
“Huwal Ladhi Khalaqal Layla Wan Nahara”
“It is Allah who has created the night and the day”
“Wash Shamsa Wal Qamar”
“The Sun and the Moon”
“Kullun Fi Falakin Yasbahun.”
“Each one traveling in an orbit, with its own motion”
Nowhere does the Qur’an say that the sun rotates or reverses around the earth, nowhere. What does the Qur’an say, the sun and the moon rotate and revolve. Nowhere does it say around the earth. The word Ardha is nowhere in this verse. It says,
Huwal Ladhi Khalaqal Layla Wan Nahara”
“It is Allah who has created the night and day”
“Wash Shamsa Wal Qamar”
“The Sun and the Moon”
“Kullun Fi Falakin Yasbahun.”
“Each one traveling in an orbit, with its own motion”
When I was in school, I had learned that the sun was stationary. It did not rotate about in its own axis. It revolved in the universe. The solar system is revolving. But I, when I passed my school in 1982, I had learned the sun was stationary, not rotate. But this verse of the Qur’an, it says, the Arabic word Yasbahun is derived from the word ‘Sabaha’, which describes the motion of a moving body. If I use this Arabic word ‘Sabaha’, for a person on the floor, it will not mean he is rolling, it will mean he walking or running. If I use this Arabic word for a person in the water, it will not mean he is floating, it will mean he is swimming. When Allah use this word for a celestial body, it doesn’t mean it is flying, it means it is rotating about its own axis. So the Qur’an says the sun and the moon, besides revolving, they are also rotating about their own axis. When I read the verse of the Qur’an, I said, but I read in my school in the book that the sun does not rotate. Today the Science has advanced and we come to know, we can have the image of the sun on a table top and see that the sun have black spots and these black spots take about 25 days to complete one rotation indicating the sun takes approximately 25 days to complete one rotation. So what I learnt in school in 1982, today Science says it is wrong. Qur’an has not mentioned these 20 years back, 1400 years back. What I learnt in school 20 years back, the Qur’an says what I learnt is wrong. First, I got a shock. But then when I research more, I realize that the Qur’an is right. Qur’an is not wrong. My science book was wrong and Taslima Nasrin, where did she put the word earth, I don’t know. Does she know Arabic? Can she read English? English translation doesn’t say that. She assumed that when the Qur’an say sun revolves, it revolves around the earth. That’s her assumption. So her assumption is wrong, Alhamdulillah, Qur’an is not wrong. And I do agree with you that Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala, he controls this universe. That’s the reason according to Francis Bacon, Francis Bacon the great philosopher, he said, little knowledge of Science makes you an atheist, but in depth knowledge of Science makes you a believer in one God. Hope that answers the question.
Moderator: Do you have another question?...
D.Z.N: Do you have any question? You are most welcome. If you have any counter question, you are most welcome brother. We love you.
Questioner: Sir, I am not sure the chapter number.
D.Z.N: No problem. I never criticize you, I just corrected you. Either tell… I have tell the right thing. If you have given some wrong reference, if someone offends, I corrected you. I didn’t say you have to know by heart. Neither you a computer, nor I am a computer.
Questioner: But I think it is in the Surah no. 8, I think the sun is rotating the earth.
D.Z.N: It is nowhere in Qur’an, I am telling you. The verse you are quoting is Surah Anbiya, Chapter 21, one verse 33, even quoted by Taslima Nasrin and hundreds of critics of Islam. No where in Surah Anfal, Chapter 8 does it says that the sun, nowhere in the Qur’an does it says the sun rotates. The closest misunderstanding you can have if you don’t know Arabic or if you don’t read the translation correctly is Surah Anbiya. Your first reference was very close, only eleven verses difference. Your reference was right, chapter number was right 21, but the verse was not 22, it was verse 33. Here is the Qur’an.
Questioner: No, chapter no. 21, verse 22. The God controls the universe.
D.Z.N: Accha, now one more, the God control the universe. That’s what I am telling you. Science hasn’t advance so far to come to know the reality of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala. I have given the talk “Is the Qur’an God’s word?” and I have proved scientifically the existence of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala I would request one of the volunteers to present my video cassette to him. I request Brother Ashraf that you can ask one of the volunteers. I give you a gift, a video cassette, “Is the Qur’an God’s word?”, which I have mentioned several scientific facts and even proved scientifically the existence of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala. Therefore, today scientists, top scientists are not eliminating God, they are not, they are eliminating models of God. La Ilaha, they are not eliminating God but eliminating models of God. La ilaha illallah. You understand? So today scientists, top scientists in the world, they all believe in God. Most. Some may have deviated. But most of them agree, there has to be a creator about the creation of this universe. Today Science tells us, how did this universe came into creation? How? By the Big Bang, correct.
D.Z.N: Yeah, very good. Big Bang. That today Scientists tell us that first there was prima nebula, the whole universe, then there was secondary separation, a big bang, which gave rise to galaxies, which gave rise to stars, the planets, the sun, the moon and the earth we live in. This is called the Big Bang. When do you come to know about the Big Bang? 20 years back, 30 years back, 40 years back. Correct? Allah says in the Qur’an in Surah Anbiya, chapter no. 21, verse no. 30, Allah says 1400 years ago, Allah says that do not the unbelievers see that the heaven and the earth were joined together. Do not the unbelievers see,
“Annas Samawati Wal 'Arda…” that “the heaven and the earth were joined together, and We clove them asunder”. So Allah says that the heaven and the earth were joined together and We clove them asunder. This Big Bang today the scientists talk about, it is mentioned in the Qur’an 1400 years back in a nutshell. Who could have mentioned this? That time Science was not advanced. Who? The Creator. So, like that I have given a full talk. You can refer to my video cassette of “Qur’an and Modern Science” and “Is the Qur’an God’s word?”, Inshallah, Inshallah, if you watch it with open mind, you have to be convinced that there is one God and He is the creator of the universe.
Questioner: Thank you.
Moderator: Can we have the next question from the mike at the back?
Questioner: Mera nam Ravi hai. Aur mein IIT ka chhatra hu. Apne kaha love, mera jo feelings hai ki prem, agar mein bhagvan se prem karta hu to ai sare honesty and other goon apne jo bataie hain, matlab admi me hone chaeaa, ek sahi Allah ke bande mein hone chahiye. Oa sare goon to apne aap aa jate hain, fir ki aa neam jo Allah ne Qur’an me bataiye hain apke, kiya ai neam joruri hain? Agar me bhagvan se sirf prem karta hu to kiya ai kafi nahi hain? Apne Allah ke taraf me gratefulness ea praise prokat karne ke liye.
D.Z.N: The Brother posed the question in Hindi; I will give the translation in English. He said that God loves, even he loves God, human beings love God. The moment you love God all the good qualities are mentioned, honesty, charity come automatically. So is it require that we should follow the commandments mentioned in the Qur’an, is it a requirement? Brother, if everything comes automatically, you will automatically follow what is mentioned in the Qur’an. But everything doesn’t come automatically to everyone. You understand? So what Allah wants, if you love your Creator, for example, I say that I love my mother. I love my mother. My mother tells me that son, don’t tell lies. No, I love you mother. What the harm in lying? My mother says, Get for me a glass of water. Mother, I love you very much but don’t get the glass of water. I am sick. Please get some tablets. Mother, I love you very much. If I don’t obey the commandments of my mother, what is the use of this love? It is useless. It is a lip service. Therefore Allah says in Qur’an in Surah Ankaboot, chapter 29, verse no. 2, Just by saying you believe, Allah will test you. If you say, you love, mein Allah ko love karta hu. Allah will not leave you, Allah will test you. So just by saying you love Allah, or just by saying I believe in Allah or believe in God, Allah will surely test you. So this life is a test. Now when you go for the test, if you don’t know the rules and regulations of the test, there will be a problem. For example, if you sit for an examination, first you try and find out what is the question of examination and then you study that question. So what Allah has said, certain things are inborn, I agree with you. Certain things like quality, honesty charity, it comes inborn. Allah has put but many things we don’t know. Not having an IQ is not inborn. Certain thing like charity is inborn. May come like anyone you suppose anyone is tortured, you feel hurt. Certain things are inborn. Not to gamble is not inborn. So certain things are inborn, certain things are not. So what you have to do, we have to follow the commandments of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala. As Allah has said, this life is a test. So unless you do not read the commandments of Almighty God, how will you pass the test? Why do I say read the Qur’an. Because this is the only Book, which is a revelation of Almighty God, which has remained in pristine purity. According Sir William More, who is a staunch critic of Islam, he was forced to write, forced means he was compelled, he had no option that there is no book on the earth which has remained as pure as Qur’an for the past 12 centuries. He said these 200 years back. Even a critic he had no option, he couldn’t lie here to say. So compare to all the other scriptures of Almighty God, Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala, He sent several revelations by name you know four, Torah, Jabur, Injeel, and the Qur’an. Torah is the wahi, the revelation, which was given to Moses (PBUH), Jabur is the wahi, the revelation, which was given to David (PBUH), Injeel is the wahi, the revelation, which was given to Jesus (PBUH) and Qur’an is last and final revelation, which was given to the last and final Messenger Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Otherwise, Allah says in the Qur’an in Surah Ra’d, chapter 13, verse 38, we have sent the revelations every age. There were many more revelations sent. By the passage of time they have corrupted. The only one which has remained in pristine purity is the Qur’an. That’s why I say that if you want to follow the real command of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala, follow this. And if you being a Hindu, if you ask me how do I approve it? You have to come to my talk on 18th of January on Sunday for “Similarities between Hinduism and Islam”.
Moderator: Can we have the next question from the brother’s side?
Questioner: Brother Zakir gave the explanation just now, I totally agreed upon and I accept it because I am not a Christian and I am a person who thinks God should be there as a cell phone is here, there must be someone created it otherwise is not existence in this world. Similarly, I believe in God but I don’t have a religion and as Dr. Zakir said, any other religion of worshipping other than Muslim, is a sin. But how will you convince this little man over here that this only religion is only Islam and nothing else. But maybe the people, other religions think, maybe you people are doing a sin because you are telling we are sinning. You know, these things keep on happening between religion and religion.
D.Z.N: The Brother has asked a very good question. He gave a Christian name, if I heard it correctly but said he is not a Christian.
D.Z.N: He says, he believes in God. If there is a cell phone, there is a creator. So that way he believes in God. Very good, Alhamdulillah, congratulations. But he says that how can you prove to me that I should only follow Islam. That’s a very good question. Brother, Islam is an Arabic word; you may not know the meaning. So forget Arabic, leave it aside. What you should follow is, Allah says in the Qur’an, in Surah Al Imran, chapter no. 3, verse no. 19,
“Innad Dina Indallahil Islam”
The only religion acceptable in the sight of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala it is Islam, which is peace acquired by submitting your will to Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala.
If you believe in God, that he is there, you don’t believe in religion, what is the definition of religion? Religion means believing in God. So if you believe in God and say I don’t believe in religion, you are contradicting. By definition of Oxford dictionary, religion means believing in a super natural being or God that deserves obedience. So if you believe, there is God, you also have to obey Him, right or wrong? That’s a different thing. You may not know which book is God’s book. You understand? So if you believe in God, do you want to obey this creator or not? Yes or no?
Questioner: Yeah, that’s why…… (not audible properly)
D.Z.N: Finish, I agree with you. I am not telling you have to obey the Creator. Now, what the Creator has said, you have to find out. Correct, now the Brother agrees that there is a Creator. He believes in God and he agrees that he should obey the Creator. So, same thing God is telling. The only of life acceptable is submitting your will to God, that’s it. Now what is submitting, that’s a different question. Correct. Forget the word Muslim. Forget the word Islam. Muslim means one who submits his will to Almighty God. If you submit your will to God, in Arabic, you called Muslim. Just by telling your name is Zakir, Abdullah or Sultan, you don’t become a Muslim. If I say my name is Zakir, I don’t become a Muslim. If someone says, his name is Muhammad, doesn’t make him a Muslim. Muslim by definition means a person who acquires peace, one who submits his will to Almighty God. Now, you want to know that how will you say that this is the right will of God. Correct? For that, you have to refer to my video cassette, “Is the Qur’an God’s Word?”, which is proved scientifically that this is the word of God, which you and I believe in. You and I believe in. This is the same word of God for that refer to my video cassette. It is approximately four hours. I don’t intend to giving a lecture and a questions and answers for four hours here and tomorrow you can come for my talk, “Shariah”, Shariah means the law of Allah, of Islam, Barbaric or Perfect? If you hear that talk, it will partly convince you. For complete answer, refer to my video cassette, “Is the Qur’an God’s Word?” And Inshallah, Inshallah, you will be convinced that this is the only way which is right. Names, don’t go on Arabic names. Don’t look at people, what people who don’t follow them. Don’t judge Islam what the followers are doing. If you want to judge, how good a car is? If a driver does not know how to drive a car, and he bangs up the car, who will you blame? The driver or the car? Driver. So don’t judge Islam by looking at the Muslims. Judge Islam by authentic source, the Qur’an. And if you judge according to this, if you want to want to judge the car, you go at the catalogue, what is the speed of the Mercedes car, what is the safety measures, what is his average etc. etc. or you judge by putting a driver behind the seat who is an expert driver. So if you want to observe the human being, to know Islam is, the best example is the last and final Messenger Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Moderator: Next question from the Brother here.
Questioner: I am Prasanna. I am doing my MBBS. Sir, you said, it was wrong to kill animals other than necessity that is for target practice etc. So in the present day, a man could look very comfortable and healthy life by being a vegetarian. So do you think its wrong to kill animal for just for the sake of satisfying your taste buds?
D.Z.N: Brother Prasanna has asked a very good question, very relevant question to the topic. When I said that you should not kill animal, they are creations of Allah’s unless you want for food. You cannot target practice then why do the Muslims kill animals? If you lead a healthy life, according to him, being a MBBS srudent. So why only kill animals for taste buds? Brother point no. 1, a Muslim can be a very good Muslim even being a pure vegetarian. There is no verse in the Qur’an or Hadith which says, you should compulsory, fard have non Veg. or have flesh. You can be a very good Muslim by being a pure vegetarian but Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala says in the Qur’an, in Surah Ma’idah, chapter no. 5, verse no. 1, you can have all the animals which are lawful for you, all four footed animals which are lawful for you with the exception in names. Allah says in Surah Nahl, chapter no. 16, verse no. 5 that Almighty God has created animals for you so that you can eat their meat. Allah says in Surah Mu’minoon, chapter no. 23, verse no. 21, that verily in the cattle there is sign for you from among the body you get the milk for you to drink and from which you derive warmth and of the meat you can eat. So when our Creator, Almighty God, gives us permission to have these meats why should we not have it? Now coming to your argument that in this meat, you being a MBBS student, even I am a medical doctor, I passed my MBBS. And you being a MBBS student, you might have read, I don’t know which year, first year or so, you might have read that, that there are certain amino acids, which are not synthesize in the body, which are known as essential amino acids, there are eight amino acids. Now these essential amino acids have to given in the external diet, if you don’t take it in external diet, it can cause Osteobody. No vegetable on the face of the earth gives you all these eight essential amino acids. No vegetable. The only food which gives you all these eight essential amino acids is the meat, fish, the flesh foods. Flesh food is rich in protein, rich in vitamins, rich in iron, it is healthy. But I do know, if you want you can remain healthy even abstaining from non veg. food, you can. By having a proper diet and checking up etc., you can. I am not saying you will not remain healthy. But when the food is healthy, why abstaining from it? The reason people give is that you are hurting animal which we will come to it later. Now if you analyze the set of teeth of the herbivorous animals, the cow, the goat, the sheep. They have flat set of teeth. They only have vegetables. They will never touch flesh, never. If you analyze the set of the carnivorous animals, tiger, leopard, lion, they have canine set of teeth. They have pointed teeth. They only have flesh, they never touch grass. If you analyze the human being’s teeth, go and look at the mirror. If I go and look in the mirror, we find that Almighty God has given us flat teeth as well as pointed teeth. If Almighty God, if Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables, why did He give us the canine teeth? Now you are a medical student, the canine teeth are for flesh food. So this proves that Almighty God gave us for having non Veg. food. Furthermore, the digestive system of the herbivorous animals, cow, goat, sheep, they cannot digest flesh. They can only digest vegetables. The digestive system of the carnivorous animals, tiger, leopard, lion, only digest flesh. They cannot digest vegetables. But the digestive systems of the human beings, you being a medical student know, we can digest veg. also, non veg. also. Vegetables also, flesh foods also. Even flesh food. Even Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables, why did he gave digestive system that we can digest both. But natural, to have it.
Now coming to your question that there is a misconception amongst the Hindus that the Hindu scripture does not permit them to have non veg. I quoted the Qur’an. If you read the Hindu scripture brother, if you read Manusmriti, chapter no.5, Manusmriti, chapter no. 5, verse no. 30-31, it says that if you eat the flesh of the animals, which are meant to be eaten, you are not doing a sin because Almighty God has created some animals to eat, and some to be eaten. Manusmriti, chapter no. 5, verse 31, that if you sacrifice an animal, the sacrifice of animal, you are doing a sin. Manusmriti, chapter no. 39-40 said that Almighty God has created 13 animals to be sacrificed. So if you kill the animals to be sacrifice, you are not killing. Manusmriti, chapter no. 5, verse no. 41-42 says that a Brahmin who has knowledge, who knowingly sacrifice animal, even the animal goes to heaven and even the Brahmin goes to heaven. Furthermore in Rig Veda, Book no. 10, Hymn no. 27, Verse no. 2, a person says that I am going to go for war, when I come back prepare for me a bull. Furthermore Rig Veda, Book no. 10, Hymn no. 28, Verse no. 4, it says that Indra, he says prepare for me bulls to eat. Buffaloes, bull to eat. And if you read Mahabharata, Anushasanparv, chapter no. 88, if you read that, this is also mentioned in Manusmriti, Chapter no. 3, verse no. 266- 277, Yudisthir, he asks Bhisma, what should we give in the yagna? In the puja, in sacrifice, so that our ancestors will be satisfied. So Bhisma replied that if you give herbs and shrubs, vegetables, our ancestors will be satisfied for one month. If you give fish, they will be satisfied for 2 months. If you give meat, they will be satisfied for 3 months. If you give hare, rabbit, they will be satisfied for 4 months. If you give goat meat, they will be satisfied for 5 months. If you give bacon, they will be satisfied for 6 months. If you give deer, they will be satisfied for 7 months. If you give birds, 8 months and the menu continues. This is scripture of Hindus. It further says that if you give a buffalo for 11 months and if you give cow for 12 months and rhinoceros inexhaustibly. So even according to Hindu scriptures, even according to Hindu scriptures, it give you permission to have non veg. including beef. I am not saying this, all the references are there. You can check it up. It’s absolutely correct. Now coming to the logical point of it, that why do the human beings have to harm the animals when you can live without eating non veg? The reason people give that killing animal is a great sin and killing a plant is a less sin because plant don’t have life. This was the logic. Previously, Hindu sages and sants ate non veg, they ate beef also. But they were influenced by Jains of the ahimsa philosophy who believed that plants have got no life, therefore eating a plant is a lesser sin compare to eating an animal. But today you know, even I know, that plants have got life. So now the logic has changed. They say, ok, Brother Zakir, we agree plant have got life. But plant can’t feel pain. So therefore, killing a plant is a lesser sin than killing an animal. Today Science has further advanced and we have come to know even plant can feel pain. The plant has a nervous system. They can feel pain, they can even cry. They can even feel happy. They even feel sad. But the cry of plants cannot be heard by human beings because the human beings only hear between a frequency of 20 cycles per second to 20 thousand cycles per second. Any thing below and above, they can’t hear. You may aware of silent dog whistle. The dog can hear up to 40 thousand cycles per second. So the whistle has a frequency above the human frequency, more than 20 thousand cycles per second but 40 thousand cycles per second. The master blow out the whistle, human being can’t hear, dog hears and comes. So even the plants cry, but we can’t hear. Just because we can’t hear doesn’t mean we can torture them, if you said it’s torturing. They was one person, who argued with me and told me that Brother Zakir, I agree with you that plants have got life. Plants can feel pain. But the plants have got two or three senses, animals have got five senses. Therefore, killing a plant is a lesser thing as compared to killing an animal. I told him, ok Brother, for the sake of argument I agree with you. Plants have got two or three senses, animal has got five senses. But suppose, you have a brother, he is born deaf and dumb. Two senses less, can’t speak, can’t hear. When he grows up, somebody comes and kills him. So will you go and tell the judge, O me lord, give the murderer less punishment because my brother had two senses less? You… you will tell him, give him a bigger punishment, he was a masoom, he was sinless. How did he kill my brother? So Islamic logic doesn’t work like that, two senses less or two senses more. Allah says in the Qur’an in Surah Bakarah, Chapter 2, verse no. 168, Eat of the good things I have provided you. What is good, you can have. What is not good, you cannot have. If you analyze that if you don’t kill these cattle, life cycle of the cattle is very short. They reproduce very fast. If you don’t kill the cattle for food, you have problem of overpopulation of cattle. The cow and the goat, they reproduce very fast and if an Indian, does not want to have non veg. I have no problem. If you don’t want to have non veg. brother no problem at all. Personally, I am happy because if all the Indians and the Hindus start having non veg. then the price of meat will go high.
Moderator: Can we have the next question from sister’s side? I see there is….. I cannot offend my Muslim sisters anymore. We can give you a chance. Yes sister, you can ask the question.
Questioner: Assalamo Alaikum! The question is not really related to your topic but one of the sisters like it to elaborate on this. We feel that by sending our children to secular school, they are losing the Islamic values. However, there are many other sisters who feel its fine to send them to secular school as long as they are taught Islam at home. Please comment.
D.Z.N: Sister has posed the question. I do agree, I thought of the topic, The Chairperson gave here a chance, I have to answer. She said that is it right if we send our children to secular schools and teach Islam at home? Sister, secular by definition means, nothing to do with God. If you send your children to secular schools, secular schools nothing to with God, but I know what you meant, you meant was non Islamic schools, run by Christian missionaries and others. Secular schools, by definition, mean nothing to do with God. If you send to school with nothing to do with God, those are atheists, there will be a problem. They will teach there is no God, you will teach at home there is God, there will be conflict. The child will have a problem. Similarly if you send to other schools, which teach wrong things, who teach to worship other besides God. So there they worship Jesus Christ (PBUH) everyday in the morning and you come and say, worshipping Jesus Christ is Shirk. So the child will get confused. You know what we are doing? It is we who are creating problems with our children. We are to blame. It is the duty of the parent to give an atmosphere, which is right atmosphere. It is like you are tying your children, tying the hands and the legs, putting in the swimming pool and say swim. How will we swim? So sister, my advice is, we do require the worldly knowledge, it’s important. The first guidance of our Creator, Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala in the Qur’an to the humankind in Surah Iqra, chapter 96, verse no. 1 is Iqra- is to read, is to educate. Our Beloved Prophet said, it is obligatory every man or woman to acquire knowledge. So knowledge is a must. Both knowledge-religious as well as the other worldly knowledge- both are important sister. But be careful while running after the other worldly knowledge, your religious knowledge should not grope behind. Both should be there. The best put your children in schools which do not conflict with the commandment of the Creator, Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala. But the best is schools which teach both. Imagine you go to school and there you are taught about Darwin’s theory, we have been created from monkeys and Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala says we have been created from Adam and Eve. Now the child gets confused. How many confusion will you remove? The best is Islamic school, unfortunately, unfortunately, there are very few Islamic schools. But Alhamdulillah, Summa Alhamdulillah, now throughout the world, including India, there are many Islamic schools springing up. Some are good qualities; some are medium qualities; some lower qualities. What we should do that we should support those people, who are opening such schools and Alhamdulillah even our Islamic Research Foundation, IRF Educational Trust has started a school three years back in Bombay by the name of Islamic International School and we are striving so that we can give to our children which we didn’t get. What we lacked in our childhood, we have a school which we have started Inshallah. Besides having formal education, I don’t call it secular, Mathematics is not secular. Science is not secular. I call it formal education because Science is an Islamic subject, according to me. Mathematics is an Islamic subject. The great mathematicians are Muslims. The great scientists were Muslims. So I don’t call Science as a secular subject, I call it for the non Muslim formal education, Islamically, it’s an Islamic subject but should be taught in the correct perspective. Scientific facts, not hypothesis and theories like Darwin’s theory etc. So sister, it is important we give our children the right atmosphere and see to it that they get right education that’s the best. If you cry and say that they go to a school which teaches wrong things and come home and teach the right things about the creation of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala and the religion, Sister, you are playing with fire. I advice you put him in an Islamic school. Hope that answers the question.
Moderator: The next question from the Brother’s side on the back.
Questioner: May peace and mercy of God be upon you all. My name is Sarvana Kumar. See, Qur’an says God exists everywhere and others also saying God exists everywhere and within everything. And somebody says, within ourselves also God is there. And if God exists in everything, why don’t we worship in idols? That is also a God, know. Then if not, where God exists? Please explain. Thank you.
D.Z.N: The Brother has asked a very good question. Peace be on you too Brother. Walekum Assalam Oa Rahamatullah Oa Barkatuhu. Peace, mercy and blessings of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala be upon you, Brother. The Brother has asked a very good question that even in the Qur’an it is mentioned that God exists everywhere. The Muslims believe God exists everywhere. Even the Hindus believe God exists everywhere. So what’s the harm in worshipping an idol? God exists in the idol, God exists in human beings also, so what’s the harm in worshipping an idol? Brother, nowhere in the Qur’an is it mentioned that God exists everywhere. Nowhere in the Qur’an is it mentioned that God exists everywhere. I am aware there is a misconception amongst many Muslims who assume God exists everywhere. Nowhere does the Qur’an said God exists everywhere. What the Qur’an says Allah’s power exists everywhere. Allah has the power. The verse of the Qur’an, wherever you turn your face, you will see the face of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala. The face means the power of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala. Allah is capable of controlling anything and everything. But the statement he exists everywhere is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur’an, neither in any Hadiths. I am aware there are certain Muslims out of misconceptions, they believe that. This is nowhere mentioned. But His power exists, power exists everywhere. Now regarding your question, where does God exists and why can’t we worship an idol? Where does the God exists? The Qur’an, it says Allah is on the Arsh. There is a Hadith where a lady approached and the Prophet asked where is God? She said, point on top. God says, she has iman, she has faith. So God exists on the Arsh, on the throne. The throne exists on the water. He is up in the heaven. But natural he is not among human being. Yes, he can control. Allah says, He is closer to you than your jugular vein. That means he is aware everything, power is there. That doesn’t mean God himself has come into the jugular vein. It doesn’t mean that. It means that Allah has power. He is close to you that mean He loves you. He knows, He knows everything, He has power over everything. Not even a leaf can fall without the permission of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala.
Now coming to your question, why can’t we worship idols? If you read the Qur’an, Qur’an says in Surah Ma’idah chapter 5, verse no. 90, which I quoted, idol worship is prohibited. Same thing, if you read the Bhagavat Gita, Bhagavat Gita says, in chapter no. 7, verse no. 20, “all those whose intelligence… you have to note down, Brother. Bhagavad Gita, chapter no. 7, verse no. 20, “All those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires, they worship demigods. So materialistic people, they do idol worship. If you read the Chandogyo Upanishad, chapter no. 6, section no. 2, verse no. 1, it says, “Ekam Evadvitiyam”
It’s a Sanskrit quotation which means,
“God is only one without a second.”
It’s mentioned in Shvetashvatara Upanishad, Chapter No. 6, Verse No. 9,
“Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
“Of Him there are no lords, he has got no parents. Almighty God has got no father, he has got no mother, Almighty God has got no superior, he has got no master.”
It is mentioned in the Shvetashvatara Upanishad, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 19,
“Na Tasya Pratima Asti”
“Of Him there is no likeness” Almighty God has no likeness”.
Its further repeated, in Yajurveda Chapter No. 32, Verse No. 3,
“Na Tasya Pratima Asti”
“Of Him there are no images.”
Almighty God has no images. So the moment you make an image of Almighty God, you are going against the Veda, you are going against Bhagavad Gita. Bhagavad Gita, Veda, all these scriptures, they speak against idol worship. For the detail you can come to my talk on, not tomorrow, next Sunday 18 January, on “Similarities between Hinduism and Islam” and I will deal with this topic in detail. So even idol worship is prohibited in Hinduism. Why do they do? The Hindu scholars have a certain logic, which you can reply to there also. You come for my talk, “Similarities between Hinduism and Islam” and Inshallah you will get more knowledge on this aspect. Hope that answers the question.
Moderator: The same question was answered. If you have a counter question on that.
Questioner: I have doubt on that. Sir, first of all you have misunderstood my question. I am not here to contradict Islam, or nor am I advocate of Hinduism or anything. My question I just based on your speech. You said, it’s wrong to kill animal for pleasure, right? So I just want to know that eating out for suppose I think mutton is tasty, so out of my own personal pleasure I am killing animal. Is it wrong? I am not trying to contradict you or put into your doubt. I just want to know, your point of view, that’s all.
D.Z.N: Brother you are most welcome to ask any question, I don’t feel hurt at all. I know you are not contradicting. Anyway, you contradict, no problem Brother. It’s my job. I am a Daee, it’s my profession. You can criticize me, you can criticize the Qur’an. I am young, but I can take it, Alhamdulillah. No problem, Brother. I don’t get agitated. You can ask any question, no problem Brother. The question he said that when I said in my talk that you cannot kill for pleasure of hunting. I said pleasure of hunting. You cannot kill any animal just without any purpose, pleasure of hunting. Here, we don’t eat non veg. only for taste, we eat for our sustenance. So if you say we can’t eat animals, we can’t eat plants also. So what will we eat? How will we survive? How will you survive? So…….
Questioner: I am not asking I am eating for necessity. Suppose, I think, ok animal food will going to be tasty. I want to kill it for my personal pleasure alone, not I am feeling hunger, nothing. Is it also a sin?
D.Z.N: If it’s for eating, for eating tasty food is also no problem. You have to eat. If you don’t eat you cannot survive. If you don’t eat you cannot survive. So, Almighty God as mentioned in Manusmriti, chapter no. 5, verse no. 30, some animal has been created to eat, some to be eaten.
Questioner: You are referring Manusmriti, I haven’t read it.
D.Z.N: But I have read it.
Questioner: I am interested to know that I am just asking your point of view. Is it wrong to kill animal on the basis of merely take pleasure.
D.Z.N: It is not wrong at all to kill animal if you want it tasty as long as it is for food. Why?
Questioner: Ok, thank you, Sir.
D.Z.N: Because Qur’an gives permission in Surah Ma’idah, chapter 5, verse no. 1, Manusmriti gives, you don’t want to know but I want to tell the people that I believe in this part of Manusmriti, the other part I may not believe. But this part of Manusmriti, I believe, chapter 5, verse 30 that Almighty God has created to eat, some to be eaten. So if you eat the animals which have been created to be eaten, you are not doing a sin. Similarly, Qur’an also say, certain animals has been created to be eaten. But if you eat the other animals which have not been created for eating then it’s a sin. Those cattle like ship etc, which are permitted in the Qur’an, that if you eat for food, even if it is tasty food, no problem. Some people to have vegetables, tasty vegetables, some people like brinjal, some people like lady finger, so no problem. If I agree with you that nothing should be eaten, then you have to kill either the plant or the animal. So while eating, if you eating good things, as long as you are not wasting, if you waste food, it is wrong. If you waste food, it is wrong. So if you kill for eating for your sustenance, even if it’s tasty, no problem, it is permitted. It’s mentioned in the Qur’an, Surah Ma’idah, chapter no. 5, verse no. 1, Surah Nahl, chapter 16, verse no. 5, as well as Surah Mu’minoon, chapter 23, verse 21. Hope that answers the question.
Moderator: Can we have the next Brother?
D.Z.N: Okay Brother. What’s your question?
Questioner: One more question Sir. See, the world of Islam is only the percentage a few decades back or few centuries back. I don’t think that the teaching of Islam was throughout the world, right? You said it was wrong to associate any followers with God is a greatest sin. But a person brought up in some part of the world telling that okay, this is Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu or Jesus whatever. He is letting to believing that okay that is God, he or she is also committing the sin.
D.Z.N: A very good question Brother has asked that the world is so big and Islam is just 1400 years back , according to him, and people may not know about Islam. Somebody may believe in Shiva as Lord, Brahma as Lord, so what’s the problem? Someone believes that Jesus Christ is Lord. What’s wrong? I being a student of comparative religion, besides Qur’an saying it is wrong, even the Hindu scriptures say and the Christian scriptures, regarding Jesus is God, I quoted. So if the Christian scriptures say it is wrong, so why should the Christians worship? Tomorrow someone calls you God, someone calls me God, would have I agreed? What we have to…. what is wrong is wrong. Regarding calling Brahma, calling Brahma as god or Shiva as god, if you analyze these statements, it’s mentioned in Rig Veda. Rig Veda, book no. 2, hymn no. 1, verse no. 3, there is no less than 33 attributes given to Almighty God, in Rig Veda, book 2 alone. One of them is Brahma. Brahma is called creator, if you translate creator in Arabic, it means Khaleq. We Muslims got no objection if someone says Almighty God is Khaleq or Creator or Brahma. But if someone says, Brahma as Almighty God who has four heads, and in each head there is a crown, we Muslim takes strong objection to it. Moreover, you are going against Yajurveda, chapter no. 32, verse no. 3, which says, “Na tasya pratima asthi”. Of that God there is no images. Same thing Vishnu, Vishnu, they call sustainer. If you translate sustainer or cherisher into Arabic Rabb, we Muslims have no objection if someone calls Almighty God as Rabb or sustainer or cherisher or Vishnu. But if you say, Vishnu is Almighty God who is travelling on a couch of snakes, he has got four hands, one hand with a discus, left hand, he has the conch, he is travelling on a bird named Garuda, we take strong objection to it. Moreover you are going against the Shvetashvatara Upanishad, chapter no. 4, verse no. 19, which says, “Na tasya pratima asthi”, of Him there is no images. So Brother, if certain people follow wrong things, if they follow Brahma as a creator who has got no images, almighty, without associating partners, there is no problem. Regarding your question that people may not know Islam, Islam Brother, as I said in my talk is not a new religion, which came into existence 1400 years back. It is there since time immemorial and Jesus Christ (PBUH) also taught Islam. He said, not my will, Gospel of John, chapter 5, verse 30, not my will, but the will of my father. Anyone who says, not my will, but the will of Almighty God is a Muslim. So, Jesus Christ (PBUH) was a Muslim. He taught nothing but submitting his will to God, which you translate into Arabic is Islam. Adam (PBUH) taught nothing but submitting your will to Almighty God, Noah taught nothing but submitting your will to Almighty God. Moses taught nothing but submitting your will to Almighty God. Jesus taught nothing but submitting your will to Almighty God. May Peace Be Upon Them All. If you translate into Arabic it is Islam. Muhammad (SAW) is the last and final messenger, he was not sent for the Muslims or Arabs. Allah says in Surah Anbiya, chapter no. 21, verse no. 7,
“Wama Arsalnaka Illa Rahamatil Al Ameen”
“We have sent thee not but as a mercy to all of humanity, as a mercy to whole of mankind, as a mercy to all the creatures, as a mercy to all the worlds”. Therefore, it is a duty to every Muslim, I ended my talk by saying the quotation of Qur’an of Surah Al Imran, chapter 3, verse 110, which says, it is the duty of all Muslims to convey the message of Islam to the others. And Allah says in the Qur’an, in Surah Fussilat, chapter no. 41, verse no. 53, Allah says,
“Sanurihim Ayatina Fil Afaqi
Wa Fi Anfusihim
Hatta Yata Biana Annuhul Haq”, that
“Soon we shall show them our signs
In the furthest regions of the horizons
And into their souls
Until it is clear to them that this is the truth”.
There may be some people living in the far off islands, which may not heard of Islam, according to you, Allah says, He will put the message of the Creator in everyone’s heart by the signs in the horizon and into their souls. So Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala, the Creator, He himself will give the message of submitting the will to God directly. So even if we don’t do the job, yet he will get the message and then if you reject it you will be a loser, if you accept it, you have passed the test. Hope that answers the question.
Moderator: Can we have the next question from the sisters’ side?
Questioner: Assalamo Alaikum Wa Rahamatullah Wa Barakatuhu! If Allah knows people would do sins and they are sent back again to earth after removing their thoughts of hellfire, why don’t He not show the mankind even to people of today’s generation that these are His punishments so that people seeing them on their own eyes fear Allah and go in right path?
D.Z.N: Sister asked a very good question that if he see the real scene in the next life, in the Hereafter, see the hellfire, everyone will believe that we should have believed, you made a mistake. But Allah can’t sent them back and wash their memory because they will again commit the same sins. So why doesn’t Allah show them here? That’s very good question. Sister, Allah does give trials here also. Allah has mentioned in the Qur’an about the hellfire. So what say, arre kaun hell mein jayenga, fire hai ki nehi hain? We think that where is jannat? Where is……we will see it afterwards. So we don’t believe in it. Allah has told, but we don’t believe in it. Regarding trials, Allah gives you trailer, you know highlights here. For example, AIDS. Allah says in the Qur’an, He has punished many of the people, many quams, many nations previously and He has extinct completely quam a Lut and various quams. Even today, you know AIDS. AIDS came in the 80s, early 80s. It’s a punishment. Punishment of Allah. Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome-AIDS, that’s a punishment. First the homosexuals got it, then heterosexuals got it. Go outside their marriage. So here we find Allah gives us signs. All these are signs. For example, Bosnia. It’s a calamity. The people of Bosnia. Two ways. Some people did wrong. People are Muslims, how are they? Are they practicing? Most of them were not practicing Muslims? They didn’t know Islam. So Allah gives signs. There maybe good people also in Bosnia. So Allah says when He gives punishment, even those who don’t do sin may get punished. For them it’s a test. The calamity, when Allah sends a calamity, even those people who are not sinful, Allah says in the Qur’an, even the calamity may befalls them. But that’s for them a test. So here all these are test, Sister. What’s happening in the world today? Bosnia, what’s happening? You see in other part. What’s happening in Iraq? All these are test. But where do we human beings reflect? We say, wuo to Bosnia mein ho raha hai, India mein thori ho raha hai? Wuo to Gujrat mein ho raha hai, Madras mein thori ho raha hai? So all these are signs, Sister. Allah is giving you trailers and if you read this Book, the last and final guidance and you realize it. Then we realize He is the Creator, He alone should be worshipped. And we always say, Alhamdulillah, whatever He has given us. Hope that answers the question.
Moderator: Can we have the next question from the….we have time for a couple of questions more. The last two questions. Yes, Brother.
Questioner: Assalamo Alaikum! This is perhaps my first meeting by Dr. Zakir Naik and I am very convinced by his speech.
Moderator: Can we have your name and profession.
Questioner: Murtaza. Murtaza is my name and I am doing my MBA. So I have a small question, Sir. You have told me that Allah, Allah Pak knows that what each of us is going to do. What each of us is going to do next, why this world has been created and where we lead to? What am I going to do next moment also have been decided? Okay, so is this world test justified? Because the very fact, whenever we use the word test, logically speaking, it is perhaps an event but the consequences are not known. So wherever we used the word test that this world is a test. So are we justifying because if we already know, if Allah Pak knows, what is our consequences going to be, where each of us heading to, what each of us is going to be? So why are we here? And…
D.Z.N: We understood your question, Brother. One question at a time, please.
Questioner: No, I just want to complete this thing now.
D.Z.N: You want to complete this question?
Questioner: Yeah. And…
D.Z.N: Already given a short speech.
Questioner: You are the scientist and if you have an experiment and you know what is the consequence going to be. So why the experiment and why do you want to do it?
D.Z.N: The Brother has asked a question. Inshallah, the non Muslim, they should come up first on the microphone. We prefer non Muslims asking the questions. Volunteers see to it that the non Muslims should be brought front. Any non Muslims, you are most welcome, you can walk through, you can break the queue, come in front. It will be preferable. Brother Murtaza has asked a question that when a test takes place, the consequence is not known. If the consequence is known, where is the test? The scientist does the experiment, he doesn’t know the result. If he knows the result, where is the test? Very good. Now, no one is testing Allah. Allah knows the consequences. But Allah is not undergoing the test, we are undergoing the test and you and I don’t know the consequence. I don’t know my consequence. I don’t know, I am going to go to Jannah. If I have known I am going to Jannah, I would not have come all the way to Madras. I travelled throughout the world, I sweated out. I don’t know. My Jannah is not secured. If my Jannah was secured, then why would I left my medical profession and slogged out here and there. I don’t know. I am not sure I am going to go to the Jannah. I am asking for the grace of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala, be merciful, put me Jannah, I pray to Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala. I cannot say, oh I am a great Daee, I will go to Jannah. The consequences are not known to the person who undergoes the test. You do not know whether you will go to hell of heaven, I don’t know. But Allah knows and you may have missed out the point in my lecture that when the teacher takes examination, many a time the teacher knows the consequences. Teacher knows this student will going to come out first. Teacher knows he is going to fail. So do you mean to say I am not going to sit for the examination? The test is yours. The test is not for the teacher. And when the scientist does the experiment, the scientist doesn’t know the result. Therefore, he does the experiment. Here, Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala is not a scientist. Allah is not experimenting on us. There’s a mistake. Allah is not experimenting on us. Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala is the Creator, the best to create. He is given, made a creation of human beings, who has a free will. He knows, but the reason is everything is going in this world because if He does not let you undergo this test, on the Day of Judgment, you will ask Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala, why did you put me in hell? If Allah puts you in hell, Allah Alam, I don’t know. So you will object. So because of that I said in the lecture that Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala is just. So Allah is not undergoing the test. Allah doesn’t require us. Allah already the greatest. We undergoing the test and we don’t know the results. Because we don’t know the results that the reason we are striving and we pray to Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala, may He grant us mercy, may He forgive us and may put up in Jannah. Ameen.
Moderator: Can we have the next question from the Brother here.
Questioner: I am Shakti Vel doing B.Tech. in MIT. Sir you have told that God told I can forgive any sin other than accepting a partner to me. To Islam only they are praying to Allah. Other than that for Hindus we are not following Allah and all. So we are sinners, from your point of view.
D.Z.N: The Brother has asked the question that Allah says anything if He wants. Not that He will forgive. That does not mean that if you believe in Allah, you can do any sin. If He wants, He can forgive you. But the sin of Shirk, He will never forgive. Regarding other non Muslims, who are worshipping who are worshipping anyone besides Allah, Allah means the true God. You may call Him by any name. Allah says in the Qur’an, in Surah Isra, chapter 17, verse 110,
“Kulliudullah Abedu Rahman
Aiya Mata Du Fal al Asma al Husna”
Say: “Call upon Him Allah or Rahman
By whichever name you call upon Him
To Him belong The most Beautiful Names.
But the concept should be correct. He should not be begotten, He should be one. If you worship the true Almighty God, whichever name you call Him, it should be good name. Correct concept, no problem. But if you worship theists, if you associate partners like someone said, Jesus Christ (PBUH) is god, we consider him to be a Messenger of God. If you call him god, not only a sinner but it is the biggest sin. According to Qur’an, not according to me, according to Qur’an, Surah Nisa, chapter 4, verse 48, Surah Nisa, chapter 4, verse 116, not only according to the Qur’an, according to the Bible, even according to the Bible, Almighty God says in the Book of Deuteronomy, chapter no. 5, verse no. 7 to 9, “Thou shall make no image of Almighty God. It’s a sin. Even according to Rigveda, it’s a sin. According to Yajurveda, chapter 32, verse no. 3, it’s a sin. So not only Qur’an says it’s a sin, even the Hindu scriptures say, it’s a sin. Suppose a Muslim says that I believe in Allah and he starts worshipping Muhammad (SAW), naujibillah. Suppose a lunatic. He says, I believe in Allah but he worship Muhammad (SAW) and says, even he will not go to Jannah. Same way, if a Christian worships Jesus Christ (PBUH), though the Bible says he should not be worshipped. The Vedas says He should not be worshipped. So according to the Vedas, you will be a sinner. According to Bhagvat Gita, you will be a sinner, according to the Upanishad, you will be a sinner. According to the Qur’an, you will be a sinner. According the Bible, you will be a sinner. Hope that answers the question.
Questioner: About Creator and creation. Sir, I want to know…
Moderator: Your name please.
Questioner: Mohammad Ishaque.
Moderator: Any non Muslims from the Ladies’ side, this…okay Brother, you can continue your question.
Questioner: Human beings, mostly Muslims, are punished from Bosnia to Kashmir, in Iraq. Mr. Zakir told me that even in world they are punished today. Sir is there anything that for one sin in the world they are punished today, in Akhridin they will also be punished?
D.Z.N: The Brother has asked a question that Muslims are being punished everywhere. In Bosnia, they are being punished, in other parts of the world, punished here also and punished in Akhira also. If a Muslim is a true Muslim, true Muslim means, what is the meaning of Muslim? Not Zakir, Sultan, Abdullah. Muslim means one who submits his will to Almighty God. For a true Muslims, these calamities are a test. It’s not a punishment and the maximum calamities came on the Prophets. In the Akhira, they will get Jannah. But if you are a namesake Muslim, who say your name is Abdullah, Zakir, and Muhammad etc but namesake Muslim but don’t follow commandments, you are getting punished here and even can get punished there. Because, Allah says in the Qur’an, Surah Al Imran, chapter 3, verse 185,
“Kullun Nafsin Zaikatul Maut”
Every soul shall have a taste of death.
But the final recompense will be on the Day of Judgment. So you may get part punishment here, the balance there. Part punishment, this Bosnia, small, part punishment. Balance is there. So final is there. Or you may get a calamity, you may get test calamities here but in Akhira you may get Jannah. So if you follow the commandments, you are on the true path, whatever comes, you say, Alhamdulillah. Hope that answers the question.
Moderator: Okay Brother, you can ask a question. We have a non Muslim Brother.
Questioner: Hello, I am Vivek. I am a software Engineer, and I have certain….today’s lecture was very good. In Qur’an, as far as I read, in one chapter it says that Allah says to Jesus that have you told to the people to worship yourself and your mother as part of Trinity, that means that puts that Qur’an believes that Mary and Jesus are part of Trinity. No Christians believe like that.
D.Z.N: The Brother has asked a very good question that Qur’an says that Jesus Christ never told the people that you worship and my mother as God. No Christian believes that Mother Mary is God. Brother, your knowledge about Christianity is limited. There are more than thousands of denominations in Christianity, thousands? Thousands? Even I don’t know all. And there are denomination known as Maronites, who believe in the Trinity, one of the trinity is Mother Mary. They believe Mother Mary to be God, though they are very few now. Now they exist or not, I don’t know. But if you read the books of Christianity, it talks about a sect, a denomination, which believes that Mother Mary was God. Hope that answers the question.
Questioner: But I have another question, so but according to the Bible, I never have found out a place where Jesus says that worship my mother or it is like, it is like…….
D.Z.N: The Brother says, he is a practicing Christian, he never found in the Bible where Jesus said that worship Mary (PBUH), neither did Jesus says, worship Jesus (PBUH). But you have to worship (Laughs). The Qur’an doesn’t say that Bible said. What Qur’an says, Say to the people, some people worship. So the same way Bible says, that never did the Bible said that Jesus Christ (PBUH) said unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ (PBUH) said worship me. I am God. But yet the Christians worship. You don’t worship, Alhamdulillah. I congratulate you. If you don’t worship Jesus Christ as God, Alhamdulillah, then you are coming closer to Islam. And Jesus Christ (PBUH) has said in the Gospel of John, chapter no. 16, verse no. 11 to 12, “I have got many things to send to you, but ye cannot bear them now. For Him when the spirit of truth shall come, he shall guide you onto all truth. He shall not speak of himself, all that he hears shall he speak. He shall glorify me. Talking about another Messenger to come. Talking about the last and final Messenger Prophet Muhammad (SAW). So believe in the Bible, you also have to believe in the last Messenger mentioned in the Bible, that is, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Hope that answers the question.
Moderator: The next question from here Brother.
Questioner: Good evening Sir. My question is why should God create us, why should He send us, why should we understand hell or heaven.
D.Z.N: The Brother asked the question why should God create us, why should He send here. The whole talk was on that. Why (laughs), that’s why I said the whole talk was based on that, that why should God create us? To test us etc. Now someone appears for examination, MBBS examination, now the… (interruption by the questioner, not audible), yes that’s what I am doing. The whole talk was based on that and if you… (interruption)
Questioner: Why should He create us? What is the need for Him?
D.Z.N: Okay, fine, why should He create us as human being. Okay, that’s a very good question. That why should He create us as human being. I will give a different angle to it. Because if you analyze, Allah says in Qur’an that when Allah ask who will like to be sent as human beings, the mountains and all, they said, No. But the human beings were the fools who said, no, we want to become human beings. Because the other creations, they don’t have a freewill of their own. Like angels, okay, they are good. But if you become a human being, you have a free will. If you have a free will and then you obey Allah, then you become higher than the angels. If you have a free will and then you don’t obey, then you become, then you fail. So we human beings are fool, including me, myself. We said, ah, we want to get distinction, high marks. So Qur’an says, we human beings are fool, who said we want to undergo the test and now we are tested. You won’t come to know now. On the Day of Judgment, Allah will give you that memory. So Allah says on the Qur’an and Allah testified in Surah A’raaf, chapter no. 7, verse no. 172, “we brought the children of Adams from the loins and Allah says, and testified do you agree that there is one God, yes, we agree. Now the memory has washed out. On the Day of Judgment again it will come back to you. So we were the fools who said we want to undergo the test. Somebody wants to sit for an MBBS examination, the teacher said, sit. If you got admission in Medical College, no problem. Now you sit, if you fail, that’s his problem, if you pass, that’s his problem. You understand? And the test is different. What’s question has to be given, that’s the choice of the teacher. You can’t tell, O teacher, why have you given me this question? That is the prerogative of the teacher. Whether he wants to give you question no. 1, question no. 2, whether he wants to give you question from chapter no. 3 or chapter no. 5. Therefore, Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala gives different questions to different people in this stage. Some people He makes rich, some people He makes poor, some people healthy, some people diseased. Different people he tests in different ways but depending upon the way He tests them the correction is like that. If the test is difficult, the teacher corrects the paper leniently. If the paper is easy, the teacher corrects the paper very strictly. Same way, Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala, depending upon the facility He gives different human being, He tests them accordingly and He is the most Just. Hope that answers the question.
Moderator: We will take one. Do you have a question Brother. Alright, we will take one last question and then we conclude the programme then.
Questioner: This is regarding the lecture. You told in one place that angels do not have free will but somewhere in Qur’an I have read in Al Bakarah I read that Iblis was willing to bow down to Adam when Allah told. So that is his free will, hetook it like that.
D.Z.N: Masallah, our Brother Vivek is very learned. He read the Qur’an, Masallah. Brother Vivek had read the Qur’an and I do agree with him that Surah Bakarah, he is quoting from the Qur’an, Surah Bakarah, chapter no. 2, verse no. 34, He says, we told to the angels , bow down. All bowed down, except Iblis. This is mentioned not only in Surah Bakarah, it is mentioned minimum seven times in the Qur’an, in Surah Araf, chapter no. 7, in Surah Hijr, chapter no. 15, in Surah Kahf, chapter no. 18, same thing. We told to the angels, bow down. All bowed down, except Iblis. So now, Iblis objected. So from this we come to know that Iblis, if you read the translation, we understand Iblis for the angel. We think. But if we read in Surah Kahf, chapter no. 18, verse no. 50, it says that we asked the angels to bow down, all bowed down except Iblis, Iblis was amongst the jinn. You understand? So Iblis was a jinn. Now you will tell me, Brother Zakir, seven places Allah said to the angels bow down, all bowed down except Iblis. He is an angel. Now, one place in the Quran says he was a jinn. So there is a contradiction, correct? It’s a contradiction because this is the translation. In Arabic language, there is a law called as law of taglib, taglib means if the majority is addressed, the minority need not be addressed. For example, if there are 99 doctors, and one engineer, and if I say all doctors stand up, even the engineer will stand up. Because in the law of taglib, in Arabic grammar, the majority is addressed, minority ignored. I need not say, all doctors and one engineers stand up. But in English language, if I say, all doctors stand up. Only doctors will stand up, one engineer will not stand. So nowhere the Qur’an says, Iblis was an angel, nowhere. We, because of the translation, and lack of Arabic knowledge, we think, we assume, many of the Muslims also assume. But Qur’an clarifies in Surah Kahf, chapter 18, verse no. 50 that Iblis was a jinn and jinn like the human beings, have a free will. So, amongst the angels, there was one jinn also present, who was Iblis, who was very pious but his arrogance, that why should I bow down to Adams, he is made from mud. I am made from fire. Arrogance, that made him disobey Almighty God. He was a jinn, even human beings and jinn, both have a free will, they can disobey God. So here they disobey God and that’s the reason he was taken out and he is the biggest Satan. Now he tries to attract the people who are on the path of God and tries distract them from the remembrance of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala. Hope that answers the question.
Zakir Ahmed: We have to conclude…. I know, we have to close, okay. Okay, go ahead fast.
Questioner: I am Mohammad Khaja Mohdin, retired officer, Madras University. Assalamo Alaikum Haji Dr. Zakir Naik Sahib.
D.Z.N: Walekum Salam Oa Rahamatullah Barkatuhu.
Questioner: Sir, you have told that you have opened Islamic International School in Mumbai. I request you why not you open Islamic School in Chennai and other parts of the ……. Because this is a need of the day today, Sir. Thank you Sir.
D.Z.N: Brother, you give me the land and give me the funds, Inshallah, I will open here.
Z.A: Thank you very much, Brothers and Sisters. Shukuran, Jazakallah Khair.