(Dr. Mohammed) Thank you Dr. Campbell,
Dr. Zakir Naik, for your presentations, as well as the response. Lastly, we have the audience
participation session, namely the Question and Answer session. To extract maximum benefit, in the
limited time of 60 minutes. approximately, that we have available, we would like
the following rules to be observed. Your
questions should be only on the topic ‘The Qur’an and the Bible in the light of
the subject of science - Questions out of the topic would not be entertained. Kindly state your question briefly and
to the point - this is not a lecture time, neither a counter question time, for
the questioners. Dr William Campbell and Dr. Zakir Naik should answer
comprehensively, and each answer should not exceed 5 minutes. Four mikes have been provided in the
auditorium for the questions from the mikes - Two next to the stage for the
gents, and two in the rear of the center ailes, for the ladies. Those who would
like to put forward a question to Dr. William Campbell, May kindly queue up
behind the mikes on my left - Gents in the front, ladies in the rear. And those
who would like to put forward a question to Dr. Zakir, may kindly line up
behind the mikes on my right - Gents in the front and the ladies in the rear. I
would like the audience in the balcony, to kindly excuse us. We are happy that
this is a full session jam packed hall - but we would request you to kindly
take the trouble to come down to the mikes, if you would like to put forward a
question. Only one question at a time may be put forward - if you have a second
question, you would have to line up behind again, to put forward your second
question. Written question on index cards, available from the volunteers in the
aisles, would be given secondary preference, after the questions on the mikes
are handled by the speakers. Please write on the card to whom your question is
addressed - Dr. William Campbell’ or ‘Dr. Zakir Naik’, so that they can be put
in the appropriate boxes in front of you - Transparent boxes with the names
‘Dr. William Campbell’ and ‘Dr. Zakir Naik’ put on them, so that the questions
could be shaken up be the co ordinators, and the speakers themselves could
select the questions at random. These would be screened by the panel of the
speakers, to see that they are relevant and on the topic, and okayed by the co.
ordinators, to be put forward on the co ordinators mike, which the speakers
would have to answer. Kindly state your name and profession, before putting
forward your question. We will allow
one question at a time, in a clockwise rotation, alternately addressed to each
speaker. Like, Dr. Campbell… one question, Dr. Zakir Naik… the second question,
then Dr. Campbell the 3rd question, and Dr. Zakir Naik the second
question. I am sorry it would be a zigzag fashion, rather than a clockwise
fashion - the way the mikes have been arranged by the organizers. So first question next to the stage, 2nd
question next to the stage, 3rd question on my left in the rear, 4th
question in the rear on my right, and so on. We would allow approximately 40
minutes for these questions, and then we switch over to the questions on the
slips. May we have the first
question from the mike on my left for Dr. William Campbell.
(Q) – I would
like to ask Dr. Campbell if…. In
Genesis, it says… when it talks about the flood, Noah’s flood - it talks about,
that the water covered the surface of the earth, all the creations and all the
mountains and everything, and it says that it covered the highest mountain on
earth, and that was 15 cubits, which is in Arabic, 15 foot you know ‘kadam.’ So we know scientifically that
the highest mountain on earth is not 15 foot - you know it is a lot higher than
that - so how come that in Genesis, it says that the water covered everything,
every single mountain on earth - and the highest was 15 foot?
(Dr. William Campbell) Thank you
for your question - I think it is saying is that it is above the highest
mountain. If the highest mountain is
3000 meters, well then high … it is 15 feet …15 foots above, it however.
(Dr. Mohammed) Brother we will not allow any questions in
between - No counter questions please. Let the questioner put his question -
full stop. Then the speaker gives his answer in whatever manner he chooses -
Thank you.
(Dr. William Campbell) And I
looked into this, in the Qur’an - I think it actually would be understood to be
in the same way. Because it says in
Surah 11 Verse 40… ‘The fountains of the earth gushed forth and the waves like
mountains.’ And then it says in the
places where it gives a list of prophets - there is no prophet before Noah. And
so I know Adam could be a Prophet, but I am…. So no where is it listed. And I
think that it says in the Qur’an too, that the whole world was covered.
(Dr. Mohammed) Yes
brother, question for Dr. Zakir Naik - Could the volunteer kindly put the mike
down?
(Q) Dr.
Zakir, you said that there is a…
(Dr. Mohammed) Excuse
me, Excuse me…. The second question would come from the mike on my right, for
Dr. Zakir.
(Q) Okay you
said that Allah reflects light and…. He is made of Nur - I did not really understand that.
(Dr. Zakir) The
brother posed a question - he did not understand my explanation to the counter
argument of Dr. William Campbell, regarding ‘Nur’ and ‘Allah.’ The Qur’an says in Surah Nur, Chapter
24, Verse No. 35, that Allah is ‘Nurus
samaavaati wal ardh’ ‘is the light’ of the heavens and the earth – He is a
light. The meaning of ‘light’ in the
Qur’an - it is ‘reflected light’ or borrowed light. So he is asking… ‘Does it
mean that even Allah has got borrowed light?’ So the answer is given further,
if you read the Verse - it says that it is like a parable of a nitche - In the
nitche there is a lamp. Lamp has a
light of its own. That means, Allah
has light of its own, as well as that light of its own, is also being
reflected. The light of Allah Subhnawataala
is again being reflected by Allah
Subhanawataala himself, like a halogen lamp that you see here - It has a
tube in between. The lamp you can
refer to that, as a ‘Siraj’ or a ‘Wahaj’ or a ‘Dia.’ And the reflector
as ‘Munir’ or ‘Nur’, borrowed light or ‘reflection of light.’ And further more, but natural this
light - actually does not refer to the physical light you are talking about -
It is a spiritual light of Allah
Subhnawataala - But as an answer I have given to Dr. William Campbell. And
since I have got 5 minutes, I would like to utilize it. Dr. William Campbell
gave a reply to Noah Alai Salaam - I am a person who use the concordance
approach with the Bible, and conflict approach the Qur’an, because both ways Alhamdullilah, Qur’an will pass the
test. And even if I agree with Dr. William Campbell, and I agree with him - it
is right, that it was 15 feet above the highest mountain. But it is mentioned
in Genesis, Chapter No 7, Verse No 19 and 20, that… ‘The full world was
submerged under water.’ And further more, archeological evidence show us today
- and the time. Of Noah’s time if you calculate by Genealogy, it comes to in
the 21st to 22nd century B.C. Archeological evidence show
us today, that the 3rd Dynasty of Babylon, and 11th
Dynasty of Egypt, were present at the 21st and 22nd
century B.C. and there was no evidence
of flood - and they remained uninterrupted. Therefore, Archeological evidence
show us, that it is impossible that the earth was submerged - the full earth
was submerged under water, in the 21st, 22nd century B.C. What about the Qur’an?… What about the
Qur’an? Point no 1 – Qur’an does not
give a date - whether 21st Century
B.C. or 50th century B.C. – no date. Point no 2 – No where does the Qur’an say - the full world was
submerged under water. It speaks
about Noah Alai Salaam and his Qaum…
and his people - A small group of people, or maybe a large group of people.
Archeological evidences tell today - and the Archeologists they say, that… ‘We
have no objection – it is possible that parts of the world was submerged under
water - but full world, its not possible.’ So Alhamdulillah, the Qur’an is matching with the latest discoveries
in Archeology, but the Bible does not. Further more, if you read Genesis,
Chapter No 6, Verse No. 15 and 16, it speaks about Almighty God, telling Noah
Alai Salaam, that build an ark - and it gives the length, 300 cubits in length,
50 cubits in breadth, and height 30 cubit. Cubit is 1 and a half feet - The
brother made a mistake - it is one and a half feet. And the New International
Version - it says… 450 feet in length, and 75 feet in breadth, and
approximately 45 feet in height - It is 30 cubit in height. If you measure this… I have done
the calculation - it comes too less then 150 thousand cubic feet in volume and
area wise 33,750. And the Bible says there were 3 floors - Ground floor, 1st
storey, and 2nd storey. So multiply by 3, you get an answer of 101
thousand, 250 square feet - That is the area. Imagine a pair of all the species
of the world, was accommodated in 101 thousand, 250 square feet. Imagine! Is it possible? …Millions of
species are there in the world? If I
tell… ‘In this auditorium… one million people came in this auditorium’- Will
you believe? I remember, I think last year, I had given a talk in Kerala - and
there were 1 million people - that is the biggest gathering I have addressed, Alhamdulillah by Allah’s grace. 1 million people! I could not see the
end - It was not an auditorium - it was a big beach. I could not see any one -
Only few people in the front - That is all. Few… compared to the
one million people that were there. If
you see on the videocassette, you will realize how big is one million –
Somewhat like Arafat - you see 2 ½
million people in Arafat. In a area of 101
thousand, 250 square feet, or 150 thousand cubit feet, it is impossible - and
above that they stayed for 40 days eating, going for call of nature. If say…‘1 million people came in this
auditorium’ - Will you believe? So scientifically, there are several things, in
which there are gross scientific errors in the Bible.
(Dr. Mohammed) Can we have the next
question for Dr. Campbell, from the mike at the rear ?
(Q) Dr. Naik, you said that…
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) No… No…. Excuse me
- This question is for Dr. Campbell, so you have to wait.
(Dr. Mohammed) So the next person would
like to ask a question to Dr. Campbell.
(Q) Yes! I would like to pose this
question or rather this test, to Dr. William Campbell. Why do not you attempt
the falsification test of the Bible, given in the book of Mark, Chapter. 16,
Verses 17 and 18, and prove to the audience here, right now, that you are a
true Christian believer?
(Dr. William Campbell) Well I do not
agree with Dr. Naik’s interpretation. God… Jesus himself was tempted, and the
devil said… ‘Well, if you are the Son of God, throw yourself off the temple.’
And Jesus said… ‘You will not tempt the Lord, your God. And so if I was this day and say… ‘Oh yes… I am going to be sure,
and do a miracle in front of you’ - I would be tempting God. My friend Harry
Rancliff - he had promised to go, and so he decided to keep his promise, and
trust God to do His will.
It is a
different situation - I will not tempt God.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Question for Dr. Naik.
(Dr. Mohammed) May we have the question
in the rear, from the sister ?
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) She is for Dr. Naik, or Campbell ?
(Dr. Mohammed) At the back.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Do you have a question for Dr. Naik at the
back, ladies?
(Q) Yes… okay my question is for Dr.
Zakir Naik. The Christians
explain the concept of trinity,
scientifically by giving the example of water, which can be in 3 states -
solid, liquid and gas, in the form of ice water and vapour. Similarly, one God is a triune
God – Father, son and Holy Ghost. Is
this explanation scientifically correct?
(Dr. Zakir) Just a comment, before I
give the answer - We should not tempt God… we should not test God - But here,
we are not testing God, we are testing the human being. We should not test God - But here we are testing you, and God
promises that any believer, who has deadly poison, he will not die - he will be
able to speak in foreign tongues. We
are not testing God - we know God is correct - He will see to it that every
believer can speak. We are
testing you, whether you are a believer or not Coming to the question of the sister, that there are
Christians who say that scientifically we can prove the concept of trinity - like how water can be in 3
states solid, liquid and gas… like ice, water and vapour, so similarly, we know
God is in 3 forms father, son and holy ghost. How to reply - and is this scientifically correct ?
Scientifically,
I do agree water can be in 3 forms solid, liquid and gas… Ice, water and vapour. But scientifically, we
also know that the component of water remains the same. H2O
- 2 atoms of hydrogen, and one atom of oxygen. The components remain the same; the constituents remain the
same - the forms keep on changing; there is no problem. Let us check with the
concept of ‘trinity’- Concept of trinity – Father, son, and holy ghost – Form… they say… ‘Form changes.’ Okay for the sake of argument, we
agree. Does the component
change? God and holy Ghost are
made of spirit - Human beings are
made of flesh and bones - They are
not the same. Human beings
require to eat - God does not require to eat, to survive - They are not the
same. And this is testified by
Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, himself in the Gospel of Luke, Chapter No. 24,
Verse No. 36 to 39. He says that… ‘Behold my hands and feet - Handle me and
see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones.’ He
says… ‘Behold my hands and feet - Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh
and bones.’ And he gave his
hands, and they saw, and they were overjoyed. And he said that… ‘Do you have any meat to eat ?’ And they gave him broiled fish
and a piece of honeycomb - And he
ate. To prove what?
That he was God? To prove that
he was not God. He ate, and he
is flesh and bones - A spirit has got no flesh and bones. This proves that it is scientifically not possible that
Father, son and Holy Ghost - Father, Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, and Holy
Ghost, is Almighty God. And
the concept of ‘trinity’, - the word ‘trinity’ does not exist anywhere in the
Bible. The word trinity is not there in the Bible - But
it is there in the Qur’an. Qur’an
says in Surah Nisa, Chapter No. 4,
Verse No. 171, it says…. (Arabic)…. Do
not say trinity…. (Arabic)…desist
stop it! It is better for you.’ Trinity is also there in Surah
Maidah, Chapter No.5, Verse No.73, which says …(Arabic)… They are doing ‘Kufr’
- They are blaspheming - those who say that Allah in 3 in one - Is a triune
God. Jesus Christ, peace be
upon him, never said he was God - The concept of trinity does not exist in the Bible. The only verse which is closest to the concept of ‘trinity’, is the 1st Epistle of John,
Chapter No.5, Verse No.7, which says… ‘For there are three that bear record in
heaven, the Father, the word and the holy ghost, and these 3 are one. But if you read the Revised
Standard Version, revised by 32 scholars… Christian scholars, of the highest
eminence, backed by 50 different co-operative denominations, they say… ‘This
verse of the Bible - 1st Epistle of John, Chapter 5 Verse No.7 is an
interpolation, is a concoction, is a fabrication’ - It was thrown out of the
Bible. Jesus Christ peace be
upon him, never claimed Divinity. There is not a single unequivocal
statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him
says… ‘I am God’ - or where he says…
‘Worship me’. Infect if you
read the Bible, it is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chapter No.14, Verse
No.28 - he said…‘My Father is greater than I’; Gospel of John, Chapter No.10,
Verse No.29…‘My Father is greater than all’; Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.12,
Verse No.28…‘I cast out devils with the spirit of God’; Gospel of Luke, Chapter
No.11, Verse No.20…‘I with the finger of God, cast out devil’; Gospel of John,
Chapter No.5, Verse No.30… ‘I can of my own self do nothing’…‘I can of my own
self do nothing - As I hear, I judge and my judgement is just, for I seek not
my own will, but the will of my Father.’ Anyone who says… ‘Not my will but
God’s will’ - he is a Muslim. Muslim means the person who submits his’ will to
almighty God. Jesus Christ peace be upon him said…‘Not my will but God’s will.’ He was a Muslim - and he was Alhamdulillah, one of the mightiest
messengers of God. We
believe…We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male
intervention. We believe he
gave life to the dead, with God’s permission. We believe that he healed those born blind, and lepers with
God’s permission. We respect
Jesus Christ peace be upon him, as one of the mightiest messenger of God. But he is not God, and he is not
a part of the trinity - Trinity does
not exist. Qur’an says….
(Arabic)… ‘Say He is Allah, one and only.’
(Dr. Mohammed) Before we have the next
question from the mike have - earlier I had announced that the ladies should
kindly queue up there. Unfortunately
they have not queued up there - so we are having a problem of balancing the
questions. Okay what we do, we
disregard the labels on the mike - If the ladies want to ask from here, we will
allow them. Just balance this
in practical necessity the hall is jam packed, we understand. We will allow now, one question for Dr. Campbell from here -
And the rear mike will be for people who would like to ask questions from the
gents, for Dr. Zakir. Similarly
for the ladies, the front mike would be for Dr. William Campbell -and the rear
mike would be for Dr. Zakir. Are
the people queued there… for Dr. Zakir? – Yes. People queued here… for Dr. Campbell? Right. I think they have taken their
own positions and changed the positions the organizers had given. We respect it, because of the
rush in the hall. Next
question for Dr. Campbell, from this mike - Thank you - Yes brother.
(Q) As
Salaamu alaikum - Alhamdulillah tonight has been… praise be to Allah,
Praise be to the one God, of all mankind – Tonight has been a very interesting
dialogue - and a dialogue at that, talking about a very noble topic for
mankind, for all mankind, and so we have gathered here….
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Question… question please.
(Q) Okay – Bismillah… In the name of Allah.
The question
is this – Okay, we have come here together for this event tonight - It should
benefit us. And so I am asking
Dr. Campbell - As a Christian and with your colleagues as well, has this event
done its job - Has it opened your heart. Has
it at least opened the glimmer, towards looking further into the truth of
Islam?
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Thank you.
(Dr. William Campbell) Well I think I
will use the last question to answer yours.
Dr. Naik
says… ‘There is no place where Jesus says he is God.’ In Mark 14:61, He did not answer - and again the high priest
was questioning him, and saying to him… ‘Are you the Christ, the son of the
Blessed One?’ In other words…
‘Are you the Christ, the Son of God ?’ And
Jesus said… ‘I am.’ So he did
say…‘I am the Son of God, and he did say… ‘he is Divine.’ And the
Bible clearly says. I realize
he has quoted the verses, he wished to quote - Dr. Naik wished to quote, where
Jesus was in his human form. But
there is other verses, he says… ‘I and the Father are one.’ It says… ‘In the beginning was
the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. And God was made
flesh, and dwelt among us.’ In
Jesus’ baptism, the Father spoke and said… ‘This is my beloved son.’ Jesus was there and the Holy
Spirit descended - The Father, the son and the Holy Spirit. We did not make this thing up
from one heads. Just …a little
thing - and now my friend asked the question here… ‘We have learned many
things’, and I am always willing to learn. But
I still think, that the 500 witnesses that saw Jesus after he rose from the
dead, have more power with me, than Mohammed coming 600 years later as one
witness - Thank you.
(Dr. Mohammed) We will allow a question
for Dr. Zakir from the rear - Yes sister.
(Q) Dr. Campbell did first attempt to
bring up supposed false facts pertaining to the Qur’anic views on the universe
- and you did refute these accusations. However…
was not addressed, what the Bible says about the shape of the earth, and those
other aspects.
(Dr. Zakir) Sister asked the question
that I did not address, regarding what the Bible says about the shape of the
earth - due to lack of time - I can point out another 100 points - lack of
time. Anyhow, sister wants to know what the Bible speaks about shape of the
earth. It is mentioned in the
Bible, in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.4, Verse No.8, it says - the same
reference which Dr. William Campbell used about tempting… ‘The devil took him…
that is Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, to an exceedingly high mountain, and
showed him all the kingdoms of the earth and its glory. Gospel of Luke Chapter No.4, Verse No.5…‘The devil took him to
a high mountain and showed him
the glory of all the kingdoms of the world.’ Now, even if you go to the tallest mountain, the highest
mountain in the world… that is Mount Everest, and supposingly, you have a very
good vision, and can see for thousands of miles together - Yet, you will not be
able to see all the kingdoms of the world - Because today we know, the earth is
spherical. You will not be able to see the kingdom, of the opposite side of the
world. The only way you will be able to see, if the earth was flat. That is the description what the
Bible gives…‘The earth is flat.’ Further
more, this same description is repeated in the book of Daniel, Chapter No.4,
Verse No.10 and 11. It says…
‘In a dream, that the tree grew up into the heaven, and there when the tree
grew up into the heaven, it grew up so much, that every one from all the ends
of the earth, they could see the tree. This
is only possible, if the shape of the earth was flat. If a tree is very long and the shape of the earth was flat it
is possible. Today it is a universal fact that the world is spherical -
You will never be able to see the tree, however much long it is, from the
opposite side of the spherical shape of the earth. Further more if you read, it is mentioned in the 1st
Chronicles, Chapter No.16, Verse No.30, that… ‘The earth does not move.’ The same is repeated in the
book of Psalms, Chapter No.93, Verse No.1, that… ‘Almighty God has stabilized
the earth.’ - That means the earth does not move. And in the New International Version, it says that… ‘God has
established and stopped the movement of the earth as though…’
(Samuel Nomaan) One minute.
(Dr. Zakir) One
minute left or one minute.
(Samuel Nomaan) - One minute left.
(Dr. Zakir) I thought you are asking me
to wait for one minute.
Regarding
Dr. William Campbell - he said that Jesus Christ peace be upon him said in the
Bible in several places, that… ‘He was God’. You can refer to my videocassette ‘Concept of God in major
Religions’, which gives all the references and the answers. I will only give you the
references of what he quoted…‘I and my Father are one’ is from John, Chapter No
10, Verse No 30. And ‘In the
beginning was the word’ is from John Chapter No. 1, Verse No. 1. You
go to the context, and you will come to know Jesus Christ peace be upon him,
never claimed Divinity. You can take my cassette, which
is available at the foyer outside - ‘Concept of God in major Religions’, and
‘Similarities between Islam and Christianity’, which gives the details, that
Jesus Christ peace be upon him, never claimed divinity. (Dr.
Mohammed) The next question from the lady in the front, for Dr. William.
(Q) You
mentioned the test, where a true believer can drink poison, and survive, because of their faith. What about …Resputin, who was
poisoned with enough cyanide, killed 16 people and when that did not kill him -
he died of blood loss. He was
not a good Christian - He had all this. How
do you explain this? Well,
only a good Christian can drink this poison and live - how do you explain that?
(Dr. William Campbell) Well I do
not feel I have to explain it.
I mean if Resputin was not a Christian - Well what happened to him has no basis
for what happened in the Bible. I
said before… Jesus… God did not intend for us to line up here, and start taking
poisons, and sees whether he is the true God. Oh sorry! It were not to test God. That was given that these…God said that…these things will
happen. An example would be
Paul - he went to… when he was shipwrecked - then he… I think it is Creep, but
I have the wrong place in my mind - and he landed. And so he was throwing wood in the fire and a snake bit him -
Nothing happened to him. But
he was not trying to test God - he was trying to throw wood on the fire. It is a different situation.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) No comment
please - Thank you.
(Dr. Mohammed) The next
question from the rear, for Dr. Zakir Naik.
(Dr. William Campbell) Excuse …
Excuse me…
(Dr. Mohammed) Yes
brother.
(Dr. William Campbell) Excuse me
sir.
(Dr. Mohammed) Sorry,
carry on.
(Dr. William Campbell) I would just
like to say about the circle of the earth. In Isaiah 40:22, it says…‘He, God,
sits enthroned above the circle of the earth.’
(Dr. Mohammed) Yes
Brother - for Dr. Zakir.
(Q) Dr.
Zakir, you said there is not any mistake in Qur’an. I see more than 20 mistakes in Arabic grammar, and I will
tell you some of them. …(Arabic)…
He said in Baqara. And Al-Haj… … (Arabic)…. Which is right, Assabeun or Assabreen - Number 1. Number 2, you said…
(Dr. Mohammed) Brother, one question at a time… Please.
(Q) Of the
same thing, he said in Surah Taha,
63….(Arabic) …. Mistake! …. Arabic…. Can you explain that? And
there is more than that mistake.
(Dr. Mohammed) Brother
we will allow your only... the first part of the question. The second part we will not allow, because we had stated - we
will allow one question at a time, so others get a chance too.
(Q) Okay, Okay.
(Dr. Zakir) The
brother has asked a very good question. I
would like to be more concordance - and agreeing, he has mentioned all 20
grammatical points. And the
book he is referring to, by Abdul Faadi… Abdul Faadi correct? - Is the Qur’an
infallible? … I can see something… ya...
Alhamdulillah my eyesight is good.
(Clapping)
I will
answer all 20 together, because I have read the book - I will answer all 20, Insha Allah… Insha Allah. Point
No. 1 brother… Point No.1… Point No. 1 to be noted - that all Arabic grammar is
taken from the Qur’an. Qur’an
was the highest Arabic book - A book which has the maximum level of highest
literature. All the Arabic
grammar has been derived from the Qur’an.
Qur’an is the textbook of grammar. Since Qur’an is the textbook of grammar, and all the grammar
is derived from the Qur’an, the
Qur’an can never have a mistake - Point No.1. Point No. 2… Point No. 2… Point No. 2 - It is like, you
know... taking a ruler, and the ruler is there… has a measurement, and your
saying the measurement is wrong - It sounds illogical. Point No. 2 - In the different tribes of Arabia, and you know
Arabic, and Dr. William Campbell also will agree with me… In different Arabic
tribes, the grammar keeps on changing. In
some Arabic tribe, the word is feminine; the same word is even masculine in the
other tribe. Same word in
different tribes - the grammar keeps or changing - Even the gender keeps on
changing. So will you check
Qur’an, with that faulty grammar? - No! And
further more, the eloquence of Qur’an is so high - It is so high, it is far
superior. And you know there
are various books - On the Internet you go, 12 grammatical mistakes, 21
grammatical mistakes - Abdul Faadi – 20 grammatical mistakes. Do you think the Christian people
took out these mistakes? Who
took out these mistakes? - Do you know who took out? The Muslims! The Muslim scholars like Zamak Sharif - what
they did - that the Qur’an grammar is so high, that it goes against the
conventional use of the Arabic. The Qur’an grammar is so high - To prove the
Qur’anic grammar was high, they gave examples. And I will give you a couple of examples, which will answer
all his 20 questions. They
gave the example - like we read in the Qur’an, it says that… ‘The people of Lut
Alaihis salaam, they rejected all the messengers.’ ‘They rejected the messengers’… it is mentioned. Dr. William Campbell said… ‘The
people of Noah - they rejected the messengers.’ We know from history that there was only one messenger sent to
them - So it has a grammatical mistake. Qur’an
should have said - The people rejected the ‘messenger’
not ‘messengers.’ I agree with you - with layman
grammar like how you and I know, it may be a mistake. But if you read the books written by Arabs - What is the
beauty of the Qur’an? The
beauty of the Qur’an is - Why does the Qur’an refer ‘messengers’, instead of ‘messenger’?
You know why? Because we know that the basic
message of all the messengers, was same - That there is one God - About Tawheed - About Allah Subhanawataala. By mentioning, the people of Lut alaihis salaam… the people of Noah, rejected the messenger - It
says, by rejecting Lut alahis salaam,
they are indirectly rejecting all the messengers.’
(Clapping)
See the
beauty, see the eloquence… Alhamdulillah!
You may think it is a mistake
- It is not a mistake. Similarly,
people like Anis Shorrosh says, that Qur’an says…‘Qun fa ya Qun…Be and it is’ - It should be ‘Qun fa qaana’ - ‘Be’ and it was. Agreed - Past tense is Qun
fa Qaana in Arabic – it is not Qun fa
ya Qun. But the Qun fa ya Qun is more superior - It
says… Allah - it was, it is, and can do - Past, present and future.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Thank
you, Dr. Naik.
(Dr. Mohammed) May we
have the next question from the brother in the front, for Dr. William Campbell.
(Q) Dr.
Campbell, this is a very sincere question - to learn a little more about
Christianity. I want to ask
that Jesus’ Ministry was only for 3 years, after he was baptized by John the
Baptist. So Jesus, the second
most powerful person, after God… the son of God - what are his contribution in
his early life from first - one year to say 27 or 28 years - What are his
significant contributions?
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) This is … excuse me
Dr. Campbell, this is not… this is not the topic for tonight - We have, we had…
(Q) In the
beginning of the presentation Dr. Campbell mentioned Zulqarnain, from the
Chapter 18, of Qur’an, ‘The Cave’ - and he mentioned that, Zulqarnain is
Alexander the great. Can you
prove me, how you came to that - Zulqarnain is Alexander the great?
(Dr. William Campbell) I only read it
in the commentary of Yusuf Ali. But
regardless of whether it is Alexander the great, or who it is, the sun does not
set in a murky – marsh, and that is what the verse says.
(Dr. Mohammed) Yes
sister, the question for Dr. Zakir.
(Q) I do not
know the exact verse, but the Bible says… ‘When Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights
in the belly of the fish, so shall the son of man, be for 3 days and 3 nights
in the heart of the earth.’
Did Jesus peace be upon him, scientifically fulfill the sign of Jonah ?
(Dr. Zakir) What the sister is referring to, is the verse
of the Bible, Gospel of Mathew,
Chapter No 12, Verse No. 38 and 40, when people
asked Jesus Christ peace be upon him… ‘Show me a sign, show me a
miracle’. Jesus Christ peace
be upon him, says… ‘You evil and adulterations generation, seeketh after a
sign, no sign shall be given to you, but the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was 3 days and 3
nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be 3 days and 3
nights, in the heart of the earth’ - Sign of Jonah. Jesus Christ peace be upon him, puts all his eggs in one
basket. And if you go to the
sign of Jonah… the book of Jonah is less than 2 pages, and most of us know. And if you analyze, that Jonah
was 3 days and 3 nights - but Jesus Christ peace be upon him, we know from the
Gospels, that he was put on the cross - the alleged crucification - alleged. By late evening, he was brought
down from the cross and put in a sepulchre - And on Sunday morning if you see,
the stone is moved away, and the sepulchre is completely empty. So Jesus Christ peace be upon
him, is in the tomb, on Friday night - Friday night, he was in the tomb… Friday
night.’ He was there in
Saturday morning, one day, one night, one day. And he was there Saturday night - so two nights and one day
- two nights. And Sunday
morning the tomb was empty. So
Jesus Christ peace be upon him, was there for two nights, and one day - It is
not 3 days and 3 nights. Dr.
William Campbell gives the reply in his book, that… ‘You know, part of the day
can be counted as one day – And if a patient comes to me, who is sick on
Saturday night - on Monday morning, and if I ask him… ‘How long are you sick
for ? ’ He will say… ‘ 3
days.’ I agree with you -
Concordance approach, I agree - I am very generous. You say part of the day, is full day - I agree with you. So Saturday night, part of the
day - one day. Sunday, part of
the day, full day – one – good. Monday
part of the day full day - no problem. If
patient says… ‘3 days’ - No objection.
But no patient will ever say… ‘3 days and 3 nights.’ I challenge. I
have Alhamdulillah, met various
patients - I have not come across a single patient, including Christian
missionaries, who have ever told to me - who were sick in the night, day before
yesterday, saying… ‘I am sick for 3 days, 3 nights.’ So Jesus Christ peace be upon him, did not say… ‘3 days’ -
Jesus Christ peace be upon him said… ‘3 days and 3 nights.’ So it is a mathematical error –
Scientifically, Jesus Christ peace be upon him, did not prove. And further more, the prophecy
says… ‘As Jonah was, so shall the son of man be.’ Jonah was - How? How
was Jonah in the belly of the Whale?… Belly of the fish… Dead or alive? Alive - When he was thrown over
board, he was alive. In the
belly of the whale, he goes around the ocean, dead or alive? - Alive. He prays to Almighty God... dead
or alive ? - Alive! He is
vomited out on the seashore - Dead of alive? Alive, alive, alive, alive. When I ask the Christians… ‘How was Jesus Christ peace be
upon him, in the sepulchre… in the tomb - Dead of alive ?’ They tell me… ‘Dead.’
(Audience) Alive!
‘Alive?’
- Alhamdulillah! - Is it a Christian?
If he is alive, Alhamdulillah he was not crucified - If
he is dead, he has not fulfilled the sign. You
can refer to my video cassette ‘Was Jesus Christ peace be upon him really
crucified ?’ – I have proved that Jesus Christ peace be upon him was not
crucified. As the Qur’an says
in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse No. 157… (Arabic) … ‘They did not kill him,
neither did they crucify him - It was only made to appear so.’
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Thank
you, Dr. Naik.
(Dr. Mohammed) Doctor….
Question for Doctor William.
(Q) Doctor
Campbell, since you are a medical doctor, could you please explain
scientifically, the various medical aspects that are in the Bible, regarding….
Because you did not answer them in your rebuttal. For example, blood used as a disinfectant, bitter water test
for adultery, and most importantly, that the woman is unclean for double the
period, when she gives birth to a daughter, than as compared to a son?
(Dr. William Campbell) Thank you
for the question, and I will get to it - But Dr. Naik keeps getting the
questions that should come to the Christian. It says that… ‘On the next day when it was one, after the
preparation, the Chief Priest and the Phrases gathered together with Pilot. And said… ‘Sir, we remember that
when he was still alive, that he had said: After 3 days I am to rise again -
Therefore give waters, for the grave to be made secure, until the 3rd
day. So they are using these
words, interchangeably. As far
as I am concerned, all of these word… ‘The 3rd day, after the 3rd
day, equal what happened with Jesus in the grave - The other thing is and then,
his resurrection. There is one
other thing - When Jesus was arrested, on Thursday night…
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Please be
quiet - This is not going to work like this - Please be patient.
(Dr. William Campbell) Thursday, and
Thursday after… When he was arrested, he said… ‘My hour has come.’ And so I counted that 3 days
and 3 nights. Now you have
asked me about these places in the Bible - I believe the Bible was written by
God, and I believe that God put them in there. So it is not up to me to explain what God said - But I
believe that God put those things in his Bible. (Dr. Mohammed) Now we will have the last question on the
mike, from the brothers at the back,
for Dr. Zakir - then we start the questions on index cards. That is the last question, as per one-time limitations
please - for Dr. Zakir.
(Q) Salaam alaikum - My name is Aslam Rauf - And I am a student
studying Biology right now. And
my teacher is teaching me… Evolution now - And I was wondering about the
Islamic answer to ‘Evolution’ right
now. If you could explain
briefly - What Islam says on the topic of ‘evolution’
and creationism.
(Dr. Zakir) The brother has asked
a question. Just as Dr.
William Campbell is taking the liberty to answer, even I will take the liberty.
No where in the Qur’an is the
name of ‘Alexander’ mentioned - It says ‘Zulqarnain’…
not ‘Alexander.’ If some commentator has made a mistake, it is a mistake in the
commentary - The men have made the mistake - Not the word of God. Regarding the Bible, saying
that…‘the world’…in Isaiah, ‘is a circle.’
No problem - It says… ‘Circle’, not spherical.
So
one place Bible says… ‘Flat’- one place it says... ‘Circle.’ If you agree with both the verses, it
becomes like a disk. See -
Does it look like the earth? It
is circle, and it is flat - This is not the earth.
(Clapping)
Regarding
Biology in the Qur’an, and regarding ‘evolution’ - two questions the brother
asked. I do not know whether I
can answer both or not - I do not mind.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Any one.
(Dr. Zakir) Which one? First one, or second one? – Biology? Or evolution?
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Evolution will be good.
(Dr. Zakir) Are you
choosing or he is choosing.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Because
he had asked the question for evolution - I think it will be good.
(Dr. Zakir) Two
questions - Biology first, and then evolution. If you give me 10 minutes I will answer both.
(Dr. Mohammed) Only in 5
minutes, whatever you can do.
(Dr. Zakir) Okay fine - I agree with
the chairperson Mr. Samuel Naaman – I will answer on evolution. The exact answer, you can refer to
my video cassette – ‘Qur’an and Modern Science.’ Regarding when you talk about evolution, you start thinking
about Darwin’s theory. And
Darwin went on his ship - at ‘H.M.H. Bugle’ to an island by the name of
‘calatropis’ and he saw birds pecking at niches. Based on that observation that the beaks of the birds became
long and short, he propounded the natural selection. But he wrote a letter to his friend Thomas Thompton, in 19th
century - He said that… ‘I do not have proof to propound my natural selection
but because it helped me in classification of embryology, of rudimentary
organs, I put forth this.’ Darwin’s
theory is not a fact at all - It is only a theory. And I made it very clear in the beginning of my talk… ‘Qur’an
can go against theories’, because theories take U-turns - But Qur’an will not
go against any established fact. And
in our school we are taught about Darwin’s theory, as though it is a fact .its
not a fact. There is no
scientific proof at all – ‘there are missing links.’ Therefore if someone has to insult his friend, his colleague,
he will say… ‘If you were present at Darwin’s time, Darwin’s theory would have
been proved right – insinuating, he looks like an ape. There are missing links with Darwin’s theory. And I know about the four fossils
that are present - the Hominoids - the Lucy. Orthalopetians, with its guide, the Homoeructus,
Naindertolman, and Cromageron – For details, refer to my videocassette. By molecular Biology, according
to Hansis Cray, he said it is impossible that we can be evolved from apes, by
DNA coding - it is impossible. You
can refer to my videocassette - It gives the details. Some parts I have no objection. Regarding biology, Qur’an says in Surah Ambiya, Chapter 21,
Verse No. 30, … Arabic… ‘We have created every living thing from
water - Will you not then believe ?’
Today we know that every
living creature - The basic substance… the cell contains cytoplasm, which has
about 90% water. Every living
creature in the world has approximately 50 to 90 % water. Imagine… in the deserts of Arabia, who could have imagined,
that every thing is made of water ? Qur’an
says that 14 hundred years ago. In
the field of…
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Time -
Dr. Naik.
(Dr. Zakir) Thank you.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Thank you
very much.
(Clapping)
(Dr. Mohammed) We would now start the
questions on slips of paper. We
would have this box for Dr. William Campbell - this box for Dr. Zakir Naik. We turn the boxes - their name
towards themselves, so they do not see through, while you will can see. They pick up the questions,
looking away from the box, and they answer it themselves – ‘Whatever they have
choose, they to answer. The
first question for Dr. William Campbell, and next the question for Dr. Zakir. They can pick up the questions in
advance so that we won’t … do not waste time, in their reading the questions. So one – one questions you can
start - and we will allow Dr. William to read for some time if he wants. There is the first question.
(Dr. William Campbell) I will read the
question - but first I just want to say about… ‘Everything made of water.’ It is perfectly obvious - Every time you smash a bug - It is made
of water. Every living being is made of water - But it is observable
– It is not a miracle.
(Qtn... Dr. Campbell) Okay Dr.
Campbell, if you cannot answer the contradictions in Genesis, regarding the
creation - Do not you think that proves that the Bible is unscientific, and
therefore not from God ?
(Ans... Dr. Campbell) I admit
that I have some problems with this - but I also have all the fulfilled
prophecies - and that is very important to me. And it says that… Jesus is the corner stone, and built on a...
he is built on a foundation of the apostles, and the Prophets - and so the
Prophets prophesied, and the Apostles wrote down, when God fulfilled the
prophecy. I know that does
not answer your question - But my faith…. is in Christ - for as my savior.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Okay,
thank you - Dr. Naik.
(Qtn... Dr. Zakir) ‘Text’ and
‘translations’ are two different words, giving two different meanings in the
Bible - in English, ‘a text’ or ‘a translation.’ Cannot... scientifically text and translation be proved to be
the one and the same ? Did God
reveal His messages upon Moses and Jesus peace be upon them, in English ? It is a very good question - Can the
text and the translation be the same ? No!
A ‘text’ and ‘translation’ cannot be exactly the same – Can come close to it. And according to Maulana Abdul
Majid Dariabadi, he said the most difficult book in the world to translate, is
the Glorious Qur’an. Because the
language of the Qur’an is so eloquent, it, is so superior, so noble - And one
word in Arabic, has got several meanings. Therefore
to translate the Qur’an, is the most difficult - It is not the same. And if there is a mistake in the
translation, it is a human handiwork - the human being who is translating - he
is to blame, not Almighty God. Regarding
- Was Bible revealed in English? No!
- Bible was not revealed in English - It is Old Testament in Hebrew, New Testament in Greek. Though Jesus Christ peace be upon
him, spoke Hebrew - But the original
Manuscript that you have – it is in Greek.
The Old Testament, the
original Hebrew is not available - do
you know that? The Hebrew
translation of the Old Testament is from the Greek - So even the original Old Testament, which is in Hebrew, is not present in Hebrew. So you have a double problem - No wonder you have scribal
errors, etc. But the Qur’an–Alhamdulillah, the original Arabic is
maintained. It has been… Alhamdulillah
scientifically - you can prove it is the same. And regarding - Were Revelations revealed to Jesus Christ
peace be upon him, and to Moses peace be upon him. I said in my earlier answers as well as my talk, that we
believe the Qur’an says in Surah Al-Rad, Chapter. 13, Verse 38, that Allah Subhanawataala has sent down several Revelations. By name only 4 are mentioned -
The Torah the Zaboor, the Injeel and
the Qur’an. The Torah is the Wahi, which was given to Moses, peace be upon him. The Zaboor is the Revelation, the Wahi
which was given to David, peace be upon him. Injeel is the
Revelation, Wahi which was given to
Jesus, peace be upon him. And Qur’an is the last and final Revelation which was
given to the last and final Messenger, Prophet Mohammed, may peace be upon him.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Time, Dr.
Naik - Thank you so much.
(Dr. Zakir) But the
present Bible is not the Injeel,
which we believe in, which, was revealed to Jesus Christ peace be upon him.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Thank you
Sir - Dr. Campbell.
(Dr. Campbell) But the present Injeel
is the one as always been. We
have…. We have texts - 75 percent of the texts from 180 A.D - That is 100 years
after John wrote. He was - He was
alive, and wrote. You have
people alive at that point, who knew - who their… grandparents believed, through John. That is good evidence, and good
text - The Bible is valid history.
Now the question - With the probability you presented - It is a great
calculation - Thank you. But
in the matter of God, it is completely inferior. God is All Powerful,
and can choose who he likes.’ – Off course
No matter rich or poor, or any other thing - so how then does you probability
fit in? Jesus was poor - he was
chosen - He said… ‘The son of man, has no where to lay his head.’
I am not sure about this – I do not see how the calculation is talking
about that. Calculation was - how many people could… fulfill all those
prophecies? I hope that
is been helpful - Thank you.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Thank
you... Dr. Naik, go ahead - please go ahead - Thank you.
(Qtn... Dr. Zakir) To an
effort to prove… in an effort to prove, the Qur’an is so heavily agreeable to
modern science - what happens if modern science is wrong?... Does the Qur’an always change, to reflect the
changes in science? That is a very
good question - It is a very important question. And we Muslims should be very careful while being compatible
with the Qur’an and modern science. Therefore
I said in the beginning of my talk - I will only be speaking about those
scientific facts, which have been established. And a scientific fact, which has
been established - for example, the earth is spherical - It can never go wrong.
Established science can never
take U-turns. But
unestablished science like hypothesis and theories can take U-turns. I know Muslim scholars, who have
tried to prove Darwin’s theory, from the Qur’an. Nonsense! So therefore, we
should not go overboard, and try and prove everything of modern science. We have to be careful to check up
whether it is established, or
unestablished. If it
is established, Alhamdulillah, with
scientific proof, the Qur’an will never go against it. If it is hypothesis, it may be right, it may be wrong. Like ‘Big Bang’ theory - It was
a hypothesis earlier - Earlier it was a hypothesis. Today after solid proof about the celestial matter…
according to Steven Hawkins, etc., it is a fact. So Big Bang theory, today is a
fact - Yesterday if was a hypothesis - Once it becomes a fact, I use it. You know there are hypothesis
saying that… ‘Human beings have been created from a single pair of genes’ -
Adam and Eve. I do not use it,
because science has not established. It
goes along with the Qur’an. It
goes along with the Qur’an, that we have been evolved from one pair Adam and
Eve, peace be upon them - But I do not use it, because that is not an
established fact. So therefore, while bringing a co-relation between Qur’an and
science, etc., see to it that you use only those scientific facts which have
been established… and not hypothesis - because Qur’an is far superior to modern
science. I am not trying to prove the Qur’an to be the word of God, with the
help of science – No, not at all.
What I am trying to do - For us Muslims, Qur’an is the ultimate criteria - For
the Atheist and for the Non Muslims maybe, science may be the ultimate
criteria. I am using the criteria… the yard stick of the Atheist, and comparing
with the yard stick of the Muslims - The Qur’an. I am not trying to prove the Qur’an to be the word of God,
with the help of science. What I am trying to do, when I bring a compatibility,
and I show the superiority Qur’an ? - That what your science has told us
yesterday... Qur’an has told us 14 hundred years ago. I am trying to prove that our yard stick… the Muslim
yardstick… the Qur’an, is far superior to your yard stick - The science. Therefore, you should believe in
Qur’an, which is far superior - Hope that answers the question.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Thank you
Dr. Naik.
(Dr. Mohammed) Yes, Dr.
Campbell.
(Mr. Samuel Noman) This is
the last.
(Dr. Mohammed) Excuse me
- Last two questions for the speakers.
We
will ask the audience to just bear for us, for a few minutes more We have the
last question on the slip for Dr. Campbell, followed by one last question for Dr. Zakir - and we will ask
you to please wait till the end.
(Pause)
(Qtn... Dr. William Campbell) It is the
same question as the last one, really. Dr. Campbell agreed to Dr. Naik,
that the errors he showed are not wrong, and that he cannot answer them. So does this mean that Dr.
Campbell agrees that the Bible has errors - So it is not the word of God ?
(Ans... Dr. William Campbell) There are
things in the Bible, that I cannot explain - that I do not have an answer for
now. And I am willing to wait,
until I see whether an answer comes. There
are many places where archeological things have proved, that the Bible is true - talking about
towns, and who is king, and things like that - And I think there is great
proof, that the Bible is valid in good
history.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Thank
you, Dr. Campbell.
(Qtn... Dr. Zakir) The
question is... ‘Are there any more mathematical contradictions in the Bible ?’ What is this... Bible or Islam
?... Sorry. Are there any more
mathematical contradictions in Islam? Are
there any more? - Is it Bible or Islam?
- I do not know – I will answer both. Because…
‘Is there any more ?’ - It should be Bible, because I spoke about
contradictions. Anyway
regarding Islam - the Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse No.82….
(Arabic)…. ‘Do they not consider the Qur’an with care? - Had it been from anyone
besides Allah, there would have been many contradictions.’ There is not a single. Regarding more contradictions in
the Bible - five minutes will be insufficient - Even if they give me 5 days,
its difficult. Any way I will
just mention a few. It is
mentioned in the 2nd Kings, Chapter No.8, Verse No.26, it says that…
‘Ahezia… that Ahezia, he was 22 years old, when he began to reign.’ 2nd Chronicles,
Chapter No. 22, Verse No. 2, says that… ‘He was 42 years old, when he began to
reign. Was he 22 years old, or
was he 42 years old? - Mathematical contradiction. Further more, in 2nd Chronicles, Chapter No. 21,
Verse No. 20, it says that… ‘Joaram, the father of Ahezia, he reigned at the
age of 32 - and he reigned for 8 years, and he died at the age of 40. Immediately… Ahezia became the
next ruler at the age of 42.
Father died at the age of 40 - Immediately son takes over, who is at the
age of 42. How can a son, be two years older than the father?’ Believe me even... even in
Hollywood film, you will not be able to produce it.
(Clapping)
In
Hollywood film, you can produce a ‘unicorn’
which I mentioned in my talk.
Unicorn… you can have Coccrodyasis, which the Bible speaks
about, Concrodyasis and dragons and
serpents. But in Hollywood you
cannot even show a son, being two years older than the father. It cannot even be a miracle -
Even in miracles; it is not possible – Impossible. In miracle, you can have a person being born of a virgin
birth – but in miracle you cannot have a son being older than the father, by 2
years. Further if you read –
it is mentioned in the Bible, in 2nd Samuel Chapter No 24, Verse No
9, that… ‘The people that were involved in the battlefield. It gives a list of these people, in 2nd Samuel,
Chapter 24, Verse No. 9, and it says that… ‘People that took part 800 thousand
of the men of Israel, took part - and 500 thousand of the men of Judah same.’
If you see other places, 1st Chronicle, Chapter 21, Verse No. 5, it
says that… ‘1 million - Hundred thousand people took part in the battle field,
from the men of Israel - and ten thousand four hundred and sixty men took part
of Judah.’ Was it 800 thousand
people who took part from the men of Israel, or was it 1 million - 100
thousand? Was it 5 lakh
people of Judah that took part or 10,460? A
clear-cut contradiction. Further
more, it is mentioned in the Bible in 2nd Samuel, Chapter No. 6,
Verse No 23, that… ‘Michael the daughter of Saul - she had no sons’ - 2nd
Samuel’, Chapter 21, Verse No. 8… ‘Michael the daughter of Saul had 5 sons.’ One place it says… ‘No children,
no son, no daughter’ - Other place… ‘5 sons.’ Further more if you read, it is mentioned in Gospel of
Mathew, Chapter No. 1, Verse No. 16 - it says about the genealogy of Jesus
Christ peace be upon him - as well as Luke Chapter No. 3, Verse No. 23, and it
says that… Jesus’ father, that is Joseph - his father was Jacob’ – Mathew,
Chapter 1, Verse 16. And Luke,
Chapter No 3, Verse No 23… Jesus’ father… Joseph - his father was Hailey. Did Jesus’ father… Joseph, had
two fathers ? What do you
call a person who has got two fathers ? Or
was it Hailey - or was it Jacob ? Clear-cut
contradiction.
(Mr. Samuel Nomaan) Thank
you, Dr. Naik, Thank you very much.
(Clapping)
(Dr. Mohammed) Can we ...
can we have you bear with us for 2 minutes ? We have the renowned, international Islamic scholar amongst
us... Dr. Jamal Badawi - and on behalf of the Islamic Research Foundation, we
feel it an honour, if he would take the pleasure of inaugurating or releasing
the book just written by Dr. Zakir Naik - ‘The Quran and Modern Science –
Compatible or Incompatible’ Dr.
Jamal Badawi to release the book, which has just recently been published and
printed few days back - and being released here in Chicago, on this appropriate
occasion.
(Dr. Jamal Badawi) There is
no more fitting way, as a gesture of friendship, than to ask Dr. Zakir to give
it to Dr. Campbell, by himself.
(Clapping)
(Dr. Mohammed) As we have
a very limited number of these copies available - so we request only the Non
Muslim guests who have come here, to kindly take a complimentary copy of the
book, as they leave the auditorium, if they are interested - It would be a
pleasure.’ May I call upon Dr. Sabeel Ahmed, to present the vote of thanks.
(Dr. Sabeel Ahmed) Again on behalf of
Islamic Circle of North America, I would really thank all of you for your
patience, and all our distinguished guests over here, for giving up a very good
performance for all of us. ….
(Arabic)….
